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re: Monty Williams' job
Posted on 10/10/14 at 5:49 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 10/10/14 at 5:49 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah. I get that- it's very tired. Wasn't blasting you.
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 6:59 pm to corndeaux
Every time this thread comes up I always think, how is Demps getting away with it? Williams is a decent coach with a lot of upside, but he can't win with a flawed team. Especially one that is not built to amplify his strengths (defense and ball movement). Now we have a top heavy team that is capped out with no picks and no depth. We are stuck with the same core for at least the next 2 seasons and no way to make any meaningful changes to it.
If we don't make the playoffs this season, I don't know why they would replace the coach without getting rid of the GM first. Letting Demps pick the new coach gives him a pass and he'll probably keep the job a couple of more seasons (while he keeps blaming the coaches for the team's failures). I'd rather flip that, keep Williams and get a new GM. Give Williams a chance (one season?) with a re-tooled roster built with some balance..
If we don't make the playoffs this season, I don't know why they would replace the coach without getting rid of the GM first. Letting Demps pick the new coach gives him a pass and he'll probably keep the job a couple of more seasons (while he keeps blaming the coaches for the team's failures). I'd rather flip that, keep Williams and get a new GM. Give Williams a chance (one season?) with a re-tooled roster built with some balance..
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:15 pm to brmark70816
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brmark70816
I actually respect your opinion, but christalmighty you consistently view the roster and overall play as so static and incapable of improvement.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:17 pm to brmark70816
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how is Demps getting away with it?
This roster is not nearly as flawed or "stuck" as people complain when you put a due date of 2015 on it. Demps solved one of the major flaws with Asik and now Gordon looks poised for a contract year and can hopefully be transformed into the SF we need.
That being said, a report from I believe Zach Lowe last year said Monty is safer than Demps in the eyes of Benson/Loomis. Also, you should be happy to hear that Ryno had a quote this week about him practicing for some minutes at SF. Apparently we'll try a 3 big lineup in addition to a 3 guard lineup.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:22 pm to TigerinATL
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This roster is not nearly as flawed or "stuck" as people complain when you put a due date of 2015 on it.
Exactly what I mean. brmark has consistently posted that our roster and cap situation is set in stone. I think it's much more fluid.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:27 pm to VOR
Even you could coach this team to 40 wins this year. This team is full of talent.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:29 pm to Gtothemoney
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[b]Even[/b] you could coach this team to 40 wins this year. This team is full of talent.
Dude. I'd take 'em to sixty wins.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:37 pm to VOR
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:42 pm to Gtothemoney
This team has 6 solid players. A top 5 PF and top 5 C. An above average PG and SG. A great stretch 4 as a 6th man, and an average SG that could be above average if you gave him some foul calls.
If we can't win with that, we need some help.
If we can't win with that, we need some help.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:20 pm to TigerinATL
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This roster is not nearly as flawed or "stuck" as people complain when you put a due date of 2015 on it. Demps solved one of the major flaws with Asik and now Gordon looks poised for a contract year and can hopefully be transformed into the SF we need.
I don't see how that is possible. I hope I'm wrong, but the core group is over 50M (Davis, Holiday, Evans, Anderson and Gordon when he opts in). They would still have to resign Asik, if he proves to be a good fit. Then they have 6-7 cap holds to fill out the roster. That is pretty much all going to be minimum level guys, even if the gap goes up. That still leaves us with a backcourt full of guys that don't fit together and a gapping hole at SF. It'll be basically the same team we have this year.
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That being said, a report from I believe Zach Lowe last year said Monty is safer than Demps in the eyes of Benson/Loomis. Also, you should be happy to hear that Ryno had a quote this week about him practicing for some minutes at SF. Apparently we'll try a 3 big lineup in addition to a 3 guard lineup.
I would hope that Williams is safer than Demps. I know guys on here don't think it matters, but the gamble on Asik was pretty big. 15M is a lot for a guy that cannot score and is really the only move they made this offseason. Hopefully it works out, but the team needed a lot more pieces.
I've been banging the drum to try out Anderson at SF since he got here, since that is what his game resembles. But over the past couple of seasons, the league has really moved away from big line-ups. I really hate they aren't ever going to really try Anderson and Davis together for major minutes. It actually looked really good at times in limited minutes last season. They just need the right kind of SF to make it work.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:22 pm to VeezyLife
Playoffs or bust imo. Winning a series or at least being competitive in one would be nice as well.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:31 pm to Starchild
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Playoffs or bust imo. Winning a series or at least being competitive in one would be nice as well.
I just don't know if this is realistic. I hope we make the playoffs and would be really happy to be competitive if they got there. But it's just not that great of a team. One major injury and they are done. Even healthy they are in the 10-11 range as far as talent. Davis can only do so much..
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:47 pm to brmark70816
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They just need the right kind of SF to make it work
It's like Demps goes out of his way not to sign big wings. I get the market is sparse, but it's still puzzling to me
I'm not sure why they need Rivers, Jimmer, AND Smith backing up Gordon, Holiday, Evans. Or why they need Ajinca, Withey, AND Young. That's 12 of the 15, with 6 guards that need/want the ball in their hands, 4 bigs that offer no threat on offense, and 1 maybe 2 guys that can play the 3 in spurts. Take a flier on a big wing. Give yourself some flexibility
Maybe the guards work it out and Davis/Anderson stay healthy. But there is a high degree of difficulty with this roster. Not sure Monty is creative or loose enough to put it together
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:49 pm to VeezyLife
His only saving grace last year was the injuries. If we stay healthy and can't put a winning season together with a pretty solid team? Monty is out of here.
Remember that Monty is not a Dell Demps hire and they've clashed in their opinions on what to do with the team before. Doubt it's anything serious, but I don't believe for a second Monty's job is secure. That seat is plenty warm right now.
Remember that Monty is not a Dell Demps hire and they've clashed in their opinions on what to do with the team before. Doubt it's anything serious, but I don't believe for a second Monty's job is secure. That seat is plenty warm right now.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:11 pm to corndeaux
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6 guards that need/want the ball in their hands, 4 bigs that offer no threat on offense, and 1 maybe 2 guys that can play the 3 in spurts.
Perfectly said. It is just a horrible fit. All of the talent/skill is jumbled at 2 positions (combo guard and PF). I don't know any coach that could make this work. This is strange to say, but injuries actually help this team. Evans looked horrible until Holiday went down. Davis busted out big time after Smith and Anderson were hurt. This team would be better with half the big money guys and proven role players. Or at least guys whose talent/skills complimented each other.
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Take a flier on a big wing. Give yourself some flexibility
One of my favorite players is out there right now in Jamaal Franklin. Plus the Hornets could be cutting Jeffrey Taylor. So there is some hope they might pick somebody up. They should have grabbed Evan Turner or Granger, who went really cheap. I just don't understand why they are waiting..
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:36 pm to brmark70816
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I just don't know if this is realistic.
It's pretty damn realistic
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hope we make the playoffs and would be really happy to be competitive if they got there. But it's just not that great of a team.
How so? You have a superstar,An all star caliber PG,One of the best defensive centers in the NBA,One of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA and a wing that was playing at an all star level in the second half.
Teams have made the playoffs with worse than that.
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One major injury and they are done
You could say this about how many teams?
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Even healthy they are in the 10-11 range as far as talent. Davis can only do so much..
No not even close
Davis has plenty of help now and he has a better core than some superstars have taken to the playoffs by themselves many a time even if you try to say that.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:38 pm to brmark70816
quote:The big five lineup was one of the most devastatingly effective offensive units in the league
This is strange to say, but injuries actually help this team. Evans looked horrible until Holiday went down. Davis busted out big time after Smith and Anderson were hurt.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:43 pm to VeezyLife
Jrue's going to play 30+ mins
Davis gets 30+ mins
Gordon gets 30+ mins
Tyreke gets about 30 mins off the bench
Asik and Ryan Anderson will get significant playing time
When does this superstar missing piece SF that we so desperately need even get on the floor?
Davis gets 30+ mins
Gordon gets 30+ mins
Tyreke gets about 30 mins off the bench
Asik and Ryan Anderson will get significant playing time
When does this superstar missing piece SF that we so desperately need even get on the floor?
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:49 pm to brmark70816
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his is strange to say, but injuries actually help this team
Lol no
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Evans looked horrible until Holiday went down.
He was coming off a nagging ankle injury and his minutes were screwed with by monty. He averaged in december(when holiday was around mind you:)
15.7 PPG
5.0 Rebounds
5.7 Assists
1.6 steals
That's horrible?
Hell going even further he averaged 14.6 PPG/4.0 assists/5.2 rebounds/1.5 steals in his last 8 games of november.
Of course the ankle impacted his shooting but he was certainly productive.
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Davis busted out big time after Smith and Anderson were hurt.
He averaged nearly 20/11 in november/december.
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This team would be better with half the big money guys and proven role players. Or at least guys whose talent/skills complimented each other.
Swapping Gordon for an SF accomplishes this.
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They should have grabbed Evan Turner or Granger, who went really cheap.
Turner and Granger are both awful.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:07 am to corndeaux
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I'm not sure why they need Rivers, Jimmer, AND Smith backing up Gordon, Holiday, Evans. Or why they need Ajinca, Withey, AND Young. That's 12 of the 15, with 6 guards that need/want the ball in their hands, 4 bigs that offer no threat on offense, and 1 maybe 2 guys that can play the 3 in spurts. Take a flier on a big wing. Give yourself some flexibility
2 of them are better off taking 3s from guys that can create.
I think jimmer was brought in to replace morrow. Smith gives us a young replacement for roberts. Rivers does fine in his 3&D role. One or 2 will get random DNPCDs at times so I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think all of them will stay either and guys like withey are likely salary matchers at some point.
You also can't have too many bigs(see having to use steam last year).
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