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Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:55 am to quail man
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Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Yahoo Sources: Monty Williams has agreed to join Billy Donovan's Oklahoma City coaching staff as top assistant.
best of luck to him
I wish him well except fot the games that he coaches agains the PELICANS!
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:32 am to WeeWee
Best of luck to Monty. He is a class act.
Two questions:
1) Does he get to keep all of the money on his last deal with the Pelicans? Or is there some type of offset with his current coaching salary. I think the NFL offsets the salary but I'm not positive.
2) Will he bring over his wardrobe as an assistant or does he not want to outshine Billy?
Two questions:
1) Does he get to keep all of the money on his last deal with the Pelicans? Or is there some type of offset with his current coaching salary. I think the NFL offsets the salary but I'm not positive.
2) Will he bring over his wardrobe as an assistant or does he not want to outshine Billy?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:55 am to BigPerm30
You are better than that big sperm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:58 am to oilmanNO
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You are better than that big sperm
Which part are you referring to?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 10:02 am to quail man
I wish he would have went to the East
Posted on 6/3/15 at 10:02 am to BigPerm30
See the OKC hires are exactly what I didn't want the Pelicans to do. We got a defensive coach with proven results and a defensive philosophy. They got a big name defensive coach with perennial bottom 10 Ds.
Best of luck to him nonetheless.
Best of luck to him nonetheless.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 10:06 am to ShamelessPel
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We got a defensive coach with proven results and a defensive philosophy.
We got a coach who coached on teams with good defenses. He has never been a lead assistant before and has barely any NBA coaching experience. I like the hire, but don't get ahead of yourself.
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They got a big name defensive coach with perennial bottom 10 Ds.
They got a big name coach with a history of developing players who is well-respected enough to be asked to coach for Team USA. You are letting your anti-Monty bias cloud your perception.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 10:14 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Galactic Inquisitor
Please tell me what Billy Donovan and Monty Williams bring to the table. Donovan is worse than Calipari, who you so desperately wanted us to avoid. He's riding the success of his back to back titles still. He's done nothing with the "AAU talent" you preach about since then. Keep running your gums about Williams though. I'd argue the "Team USA" stuff you keep bringing up works against him in your argument. He is around some of the best coaching minds in the entire league, gathering information, and STILL failed to improve his putrid defense AFTER Dell went and got him his paint clogging big man.
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You are letting your anti-Monty bias cloud your perception.
At this point, this narrative is complete bullcrap. It's not a bias when it is officially proven that my anti-Monty sentiment was seconded by the front office after he made the playoffs this season and still got canned.
The results are IN. Defending him at this point is officially a pro-Monty bias.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:35 pm to ShamelessPel
Monty has a history of developing talent. There isn't too much denying that at this point. His defensive guru thing hasn't come out yet, but maybe with the right players he can do it. Who knows. Regardless, he will likely head coach again in the NBA one day and I wish him the best.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:40 pm to quail man
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Monty has a history of developing talent. There isn't too much denying that at this point. His defensive guru thing hasn't come out yet, but maybe with the right players he can do it. Who knows. Regardless, he will likely head coach again in the NBA one day and I wish him the best.
My only point was that in hindsight, would you rather have the Gentry/Erman combo or go the "big name" route like say Van Gundy/Marc Jackson. We know exactly what we are getting in our coaches. There are no ??? marks, and I love it. The only question is whether our players can execute their vision.
No one knows what they are getting out of Monty and Donovan. It's being blown out of proportion by GI because I "slighted" Monty by calling out their lack of knowing what they're getting.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:09 pm to ShamelessPel
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It's being blown out of proportion by GI
Nothing is being blown out of proportion. You are making silly statements because you are biased against Monty. Monty wasn't part of the Team USA staff by association. He was part of that staff because he is considered a very good coach.
ETA - I only get one downvote. You have gotten 3 so far.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:17 pm to ShamelessPel
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Donovan is worse than Calipari
Ummmmmm, lol. Donovan has 2 NCs to Cal's 1. Donovan has put 0 programs on probation to Cal's 2.
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He's riding the success of his back to back titles still
Let me know when Cal wins back-to-back titles at the 2nd most storied program in college basketball history.
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He's done nothing with the "AAU talent" you preach about since then
Donovan's talent and the draw for that talent is NOTHING compared to Cal at Kentucky.
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I'd argue the "Team USA" stuff you keep bringing up works against him in your argument.
And that would make you a fool, but so did saying Austin Rivers should start over Eric Gordon.
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STILL failed to improve his putrid defense AFTER Dell went and got him his paint clogging big man.
And an injury to Holiday left him with 1 decent defender (Gordon) among the 1, 2, and 3 position until Dell pulled a rabbit out of his hat for 2 average defenders at the 3 midseason. The best post defender in the league isn't going to help when you have a sieve on the perimeter allowing endless penetration.
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At this point, this narrative is complete bullcrap. It's not a bias when it is officially proven that my anti-Monty sentiment was seconded by the front office after he made the playoffs this season and still got canned.
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The results are IN. Defending him at this point is officially a pro-Monty bias.
That's not what's being done. I am simply pointing out that it's absolutely moronic to say a guy with minimal experience as an assistant coach is far and away a better hire than a guy who was brought in to coach the new Dream Team. This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:19 pm to ShamelessPel
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My only point was that in hindsight, would you rather have the Gentry/Erman combo or go the "big name" route like say Van Gundy/Marc Jackson
You have no idea who Van Gundy would have hired as assistants, and nobody wanted Jackson. If we're making stuff up, I think I may have prefered Van Gundy with D'antoni as lead assistant.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 4:10 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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You have no idea who Van Gundy would have hired as assistants, and nobody wanted Jackson. If we're making stuff up, I think I may have prefered Van Gundy with D'antoni as lead assistant.
My apologies, I didn't know this conversation would go SO FAR over your head. I simply picked a combination of coaches that were similar to Donovan/Monty when I chose Van Gundy/Jackson. A big name coach coupled with a "player's coach". The D'antoni point you just made flies in the face of everything I am saying. We know his philosophy. He wrote an actual book on it.
Billy Donovan had success 10 years ago with Joakim Noah, Al Horford, and Corey Brewer as sophmores and juniors . Pull your head out of your arse and quit stargazing for once. You act like recruiting sites are the end all, be all of how good these kids are and then downplay him coaching up coddled teens to become unselfish team players as freshmen.
You'd have to be an idiot to prefer Donovan to Cal if you're going on college resumes.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 4:17 pm to ShamelessPel
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You'd have to be an idiot to prefer Donovan to Cal if you're going on college resumes.
If I'm hiring a college coach and don't care about possible sanctions, I take Cal 10 out of 10 times. For an NBA gig, I'd probably take Donovan.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 4:28 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
show us on the doll where Calipari touched you
Posted on 6/3/15 at 4:41 pm to GynoSandberg
Well, another offseason thread derailing shite show.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 5:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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ETA - I only get one downvote. You have gotten 3 so far.
If it makes you feel better you now have 4 and he still has 3
Monty is no longer a part of the Pelicans' organization, you can stop knighting for him.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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show us on the doll where Calipari touched you
Old Sandy Vagyno at it again
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