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re: Just tank already
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:04 pm to cgrand
Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:04 pm to cgrand
Yap
If a Joe Johnson 50 footer goes in at the buzzer, there are threads calling for Gentry and Demps' head. AD would be a pussy. Anderson needs to be traded. Holiday needs to play 40 minutes.
1 shot. You lose to a 12-36 and the 3rd worst team in the league. Narrative changes
If a Joe Johnson 50 footer goes in at the buzzer, there are threads calling for Gentry and Demps' head. AD would be a pussy. Anderson needs to be traded. Holiday needs to play 40 minutes.
1 shot. You lose to a 12-36 and the 3rd worst team in the league. Narrative changes
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Posted on 1/31/16 at 3:17 pm to cgrand
GS needed a lucky shot to beat the worst team in history last night.
We won and that's what matters in the end. We've proven a few times that we have the ability to compete with the good teams. It's a matter of effort and focus. Roster is flawed, but our schedule is too easy going forward to tank. Meed to improve in other ways. We'll have to try not to win 35+ games this year.
We won and that's what matters in the end. We've proven a few times that we have the ability to compete with the good teams. It's a matter of effort and focus. Roster is flawed, but our schedule is too easy going forward to tank. Meed to improve in other ways. We'll have to try not to win 35+ games this year.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
consider this though... when we get to the playoffs, that 1-11 start will be so long ago it really shouldn't count. we'll be playing better than our record
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:50 pm to fandyke
OP is right
typical Posi-Pel morons cum their pants for 1st round exits (at the best)
we should have started tanking a month ago
typical Posi-Pel morons cum their pants for 1st round exits (at the best)
we should have started tanking a month ago
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:53 pm to chalmetteowl
But we are still going out in the first round.
Then what? Pay Ryno 15-20 and run it back again without Gordon?
Even fully healthy I don't think AD-Jrue-Evans-Ryno-Asik is a contending caliber roster. No matter who would of been coaching us. Then the following season you have Jrue and Evans contracts coming up.
This team needs that one more great player to get them into that next tier of teams in the league IMO. Where OKC, LAC, SAS, GSW, CLE live in. This draft could provide that. Where are we adding that otherwise?
Then what? Pay Ryno 15-20 and run it back again without Gordon?
Even fully healthy I don't think AD-Jrue-Evans-Ryno-Asik is a contending caliber roster. No matter who would of been coaching us. Then the following season you have Jrue and Evans contracts coming up.
This team needs that one more great player to get them into that next tier of teams in the league IMO. Where OKC, LAC, SAS, GSW, CLE live in. This draft could provide that. Where are we adding that otherwise?
Posted on 1/31/16 at 4:54 pm to NOLA Bronco
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I mean if we make the 8 seed fine. Whatever. But if we make the 8 seed because Demps is going to hold onto all our players to save face even if it is clearly the wrong long term move to make because this will never be a championship roster as is, then I'm gonna be pissed.
the right long term move is to hold on to all the players and have cap space in the offseason to start over ideally without Dell. He should be fired regardless. It's a really good time to start fresh with the cap space available.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:03 pm to quail man
it's all a shitty situation because here's where you're caught. do you tank now and then not know what gentry can do with a little time? then what, fire him? that's a lot of money to shell out. or give him next year and maybe he is actually shite no matter the roster and it's another year of the same?
or do you let him play through the rest of the season and see what he can do before firing him or keeping him, based on the results? then you may not get a pick in the 7-10 range, but that's a crap shoot anyway (maybe less so this year because that could be a Buddy Heild or Valentine type player).
Regardless, you're kinda in no man's land right now. I think the next few games will be telling before the break. You have 4 games against playoff teams. the teams they beat the last few weeks are all shite teams, which is good but doesn't prove much. If they can go 5-2 (beat Lakers, Wolves, Jazz, split with Memphis, Spurs, Cavs, and OKC) in these next 7, then you don't tank. if they are 3-4 and can't beat any playoff teams, you tank, fire dell, and let the new GM decide if Tom wants to buy out Gentry or go from there.
or do you let him play through the rest of the season and see what he can do before firing him or keeping him, based on the results? then you may not get a pick in the 7-10 range, but that's a crap shoot anyway (maybe less so this year because that could be a Buddy Heild or Valentine type player).
Regardless, you're kinda in no man's land right now. I think the next few games will be telling before the break. You have 4 games against playoff teams. the teams they beat the last few weeks are all shite teams, which is good but doesn't prove much. If they can go 5-2 (beat Lakers, Wolves, Jazz, split with Memphis, Spurs, Cavs, and OKC) in these next 7, then you don't tank. if they are 3-4 and can't beat any playoff teams, you tank, fire dell, and let the new GM decide if Tom wants to buy out Gentry or go from there.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:08 pm to quail man
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the right long term move is to hold on to all the players and have cap space in the offseason to start over ideally without Dell. He should be fired regardless. It's a really good time to start fresh with the cap space available.
I wish Demps actually took a note from Bower who actually didn't make desperate moves when his time was clearly up.
My optimal situation would be Demps trading Anderson and possibly Evans(Gordon seems unrealistic at this point with his poor play and injury) to open up more cap space and bring back some draft picks and maybe cheaper long term role players.
Any players shouldn't be high risk though. They should be guys that could be moved if a new GM needed it fairly quickly.
Just waiting til the offseason means you basically concede any value for trading Anderson and the slim possibility of Gordon.
EDIT: to your next post. To me there is zero value in maximizing this season and doubling down. Even if we beat most of those playoff teams I don't think it would be anything but false hope. We aren't getting out of the first round barring major injury to the top 3 teams before tip off in a series.
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:09 pm to quail man
You're probably taking back longish term contracts to move Asik and probably Gordon
You probably will get a 17-20+ pick for ryno and and maybe a decent cheap wing
Its smarter to trade tyreke in the summer when teams miss out
People thinking you can blow it up all at the same time are very foolish
And what type of players "fit" around AD? You might think a guy fits on paper but in reality it doesn't work that way sometimes.
Fit is subjective from person to person.
You probably will get a 17-20+ pick for ryno and and maybe a decent cheap wing
Its smarter to trade tyreke in the summer when teams miss out
People thinking you can blow it up all at the same time are very foolish
And what type of players "fit" around AD? You might think a guy fits on paper but in reality it doesn't work that way sometimes.
Fit is subjective from person to person.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:18 pm to LosLobos111
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Its smarter to trade tyreke in the summer when teams miss out
Trading Tyreke is the guy most likely to bring a significant return. We're not getting much for either Anderson or EG if they're both coming off the books anyway, unless a contender who really, really needs a shooter decides to give up an asset. I'm not enamored with a draft pick outside of the top ten. Hell, it's a crapshoot outside of the first five, imo.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:31 pm to VOR
I think people need to realize there is no quick fix to this situation. The only way we're likely to be more talented next year is if we hit on the draft pick(s). If we don't make too many new long term commitments then 2017 will be when the combination of cap space and player movement will be right for us to improve the talent level.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:33 pm to TigerinATL
I pretty much agree.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 5:34 pm to fandyke
you didn't provide anything that someone hasn't said before. it's pretty clear you let people think for you other than letting yourself come to your own conclusions. simpleton.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 6:53 pm to fandyke
Upvote - This is literally worse than the Katrina season and I can't stand this fricking team. frick Demps and Benson for rushing this shite - how can a team with Anthony fricking Davis be this unpleasant to watch?
This post was edited on 1/31/16 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:00 pm to TigerinATL
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I think people need to realize there is no quick fix to this situation.
The 8 seed is currently 4 games under .500 and the 7 seed is at .500. The whole dynamic of the WC could be flipped going into next season, too - Durant's a FA, Dallas has decisions to make, HOU needs to retool their roster, Memphis could lose Conley. All of those middling teams are vulnerable. You have the teams grouped in with us with no real direction.
If the playoffs is what everyone is content with, you can conceivably be right there next year with ~60% roster turnover.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:02 pm to GynoSandberg
We also don't want to make the playoffs because that means hopefully Portland or Utah did limiting their ceiling with what they can add in the draft.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:03 pm to SirWinston
The last few weeks have been great.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:08 pm to Solo
Exactly.
We play lights out for big stretches of games. We've seen improvement in holiday and Anderson. It's not a fluky streak when it's for more than 5 games. AD will get it going and we can look like a very attractive landing spit for KD next year.
We play lights out for big stretches of games. We've seen improvement in holiday and Anderson. It's not a fluky streak when it's for more than 5 games. AD will get it going and we can look like a very attractive landing spit for KD next year.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
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It's not a fluky streak when it's for more than 5 games.
It could be when it's all home games in a soft part of the schedule. They've gone 7-3 in the last 10, go 6-4 or better in the next 10 while playing as well and then you might have enough evidence to say the team is starting to get it and Gentry may not be the problem he appeared to be over the first 20 games.
Posted on 1/31/16 at 7:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
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It's not a fluky streak when it's for more than 5 games
Anderson averaging close to 30 points
Holiday not injured
Sounds flukey to me, baw
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