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Posted on 6/24/23 at 10:57 pm to PrayingMantis
A 1 year $8M deal is not a negative asset.
I know Hayes has been up and down, but for basically the 3rd season in a row, he had a very positive end of the regular season and he was a huge part in why we started winning a few games.
Of course, I’d try to fix the rim protector issue in free agency or trades, but if nothing comes to fruition. Jaxson Hayes needs to be back on that 1 year deal bc he’s the 1 Center we have, that can occasionally protect the rim and be a vertical spacer and fastbreak finisher.
I know Hayes has been up and down, but for basically the 3rd season in a row, he had a very positive end of the regular season and he was a huge part in why we started winning a few games.
Of course, I’d try to fix the rim protector issue in free agency or trades, but if nothing comes to fruition. Jaxson Hayes needs to be back on that 1 year deal bc he’s the 1 Center we have, that can occasionally protect the rim and be a vertical spacer and fastbreak finisher.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:35 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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A 1 year $8M deal is not a negative asset.
Absolutely, 8MM is a very trade-able contract in today’s market. This board sometimes has unreasonable venom for its players that have NOLA on the front of their jersey.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:47 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Explain how paying a guy 4x what he is worth is a positive asset. I must me missing something
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:54 pm to PrayingMantis
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Explain how paying a guy 4x what he is worth is a positive asset.
Most trades require some semblance of salary matching. Pels have a lot of minimal salaries (who have over performed their contracts) so you often need a couple of expendable higher salaries to match in a trade, for a player you want, without gutting your roster.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:18 am to Pistol44
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you often need a couple of expendable higher salaries to match in a trade, for a player you want, without gutting your roster.
so
1. we don't have anyone better. this is sad commentary.
2. by the end of the season he's serviceable.
3. use his salary in the mid season deals.
seems like he needs summer league. he and zion do.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:29 am to Pistol44
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8MM is a very trade-able contract in today’s market.
We're too close to the tax to be carrying something like that. Also the Pels could give Herb a new deal this year likely at a cheaper rate than they could if they wait until next year. I would much rather lock up Herb than have another Darius Miller contract to trade that probably ends up going unused on the roster.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:31 am to TigerinATL
Imagine saying we should use whatever little space we have left on Hayes to sit on the bench and hope that he can net you an upgrade during the year over using that space to improve the roster in free agency.
Pel talk with some amazing logic sometimes.
Pel talk with some amazing logic sometimes.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:03 pm to TigerinATL
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We’re too close to the tax
Right, you want to stay under the tax. Hayes’ QO doesn’t put you over. You pay Herb and TM3 from some combo of Val, Kira, Temple then Nance expiring contracts. Trades will bring in longer term commitment (locked money). Any upgrades, needs along the margins and its nice to have salary available to avoid cutting into your core.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:18 pm to Pistol44
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Yes, you sign him at his QO. If Pels don’t make a major move now, they’ll need salary at the deadline to make a move.
Nope. His QO puts you tight against the tax and we can’t use any of the MLE then.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:25 pm to NOFOX
quote:Bingo
His QO puts you tight against the tax and we can’t use any of the MLE then.
We can potentially pay a dude similar money to the Jax QO that can actually contribute and be in our rotation.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:34 pm to TigerinATL
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Also the Pels could give Herb a new deal this year likely at a cheaper rate than they could if they wait until next year. I would much rather lock up Herb than have another Darius Miller contract to trade that probably ends up going unused on the roster.
Yep...doubt Pels want to take a chance on Herb having a bit of a breakout year (36/37% from 3 might qualify for several teams). And then some serious playoff team decides he might be the "piece" that could make a difference come playoffs...and they make a highball offer for Herb that the Pels might not be prepared to match. Go ahead & make the deal with Herb...one way or the other.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 6:34 am to sherm26
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Do we resign him?
Is there anything left to see out of Jaxson that we haven't already seen, and been disappointed in?
IMO he's an end of the bench limited role player. He's as developed as he's going to get.
1) does he fill a need on this team?
2) Is that truly a "need" or a luxury?
3) does/will having him on the team limit the possibility of filling a true "need"?
Posted on 6/26/23 at 7:00 am to PrayingMantis
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Explain how paying a guy 4x what he is worth is a positive asset. I must me missing something
a. It's not 4x
b. It's a big salary to use in a potential trade to upgrade the roster.
If we can't get a FA to come here and make major ripples I wouldn't care if we paid him $14-15M (as long a we're under the tax)...for 1 year. The years matter more than the salary
*ETA: after reading apparently 14-15M will put us over the tax so clearly he's not worth THAT (as stated in the original post)
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:03 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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doubt Pels want to take a chance on Herb having a bit of a breakout year
You have to come up with $35MM to pay Herb and TM3 in the next two years, like I stated earlier easiest route is expiring contracts particularly if you feel good about your core. Upgrades around the margins require salary match and longer term commitment while avoiding cutting into your core. Pels have some good contributing pieces that aren’t making, relatively, a lot of money.
Appears that the Pels are punting (not a bad thing) and running it back. They have expiring contracts worth ~ 27MM this year and ~ 12MM the following year (excluding core players). This is why its not a bad option to slightly overpay (while staying under the cap) a potentially expendable player to upgrade your roster …. it’s literally done all the time.
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