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re: Ingram Mid-Season Highlights
Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
The people who want to run off BI are so short sighted. I can’t remember the Pels ever having an elite forward. He can score from all 3 levels, great passer, aggressive rebounder, and his defense has significantly improved. I think he can be a robin on a championship team, it’s really just up to Zion to take that next step and be able to have consistent energy on both ends of the court. Our stars have to take defense more personal.
I know I’m shining a light for Shel to come and argue but I think the ideal Pels lineup works better with CJ leading the 2nd unit and Trey being inserted into the lineup. Trey has to get better on defense as well but CJ gets hunted ruthlessly
I know I’m shining a light for Shel to come and argue but I think the ideal Pels lineup works better with CJ leading the 2nd unit and Trey being inserted into the lineup. Trey has to get better on defense as well but CJ gets hunted ruthlessly
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:38 pm to spaghettioeauxs
I see you bring up defense several times, as do others.
And i don't disagree that defense is the main reason our starting 5 doesn't work.
But you all realize that we are one of the best defensive teams in the league right? 6th best DRtg in the league
Shooting more efficient shots, more at the rim, turning the ball over less, all of those offensive things lead to playing better defense.
We are top 10 in opponents Points in the Paint, Fast Break Points, Points off Turnovers, and 2nd chance points. All of that points to hustling on D, which is crazy to think we are a great hustle team with Zion out there, but he's been a lot more active defensively since christmas.
5th in deflections
7th in loose balls
2nd in block outs
we are 3rd in contested 3 pointers defended, which is why we are one of the better defense's against the 3. In turn we also give up the 4th most uncontested 2 pointers.
To be honest, i'm tired of all the talk and stats and all of it. Just want to get to the playoffs healthy and see what these guys are made of so we know what we need to do this offseason to get better.
And i don't disagree that defense is the main reason our starting 5 doesn't work.
But you all realize that we are one of the best defensive teams in the league right? 6th best DRtg in the league
Shooting more efficient shots, more at the rim, turning the ball over less, all of those offensive things lead to playing better defense.
We are top 10 in opponents Points in the Paint, Fast Break Points, Points off Turnovers, and 2nd chance points. All of that points to hustling on D, which is crazy to think we are a great hustle team with Zion out there, but he's been a lot more active defensively since christmas.
5th in deflections
7th in loose balls
2nd in block outs
we are 3rd in contested 3 pointers defended, which is why we are one of the better defense's against the 3. In turn we also give up the 4th most uncontested 2 pointers.
To be honest, i'm tired of all the talk and stats and all of it. Just want to get to the playoffs healthy and see what these guys are made of so we know what we need to do this offseason to get better.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
The issue for me is that we seem to be a great defensive team against the bottom feeders. For example, holding the grizzlies and Trail Blazers below 100 back to back games. That Lakers game where they put up like 87 in the first half scarred me. I don’t have the numbers but I’d like to know our defensive rating vs sub 500 teams compared to above 500 teams. Seems like every time we have a big matchup against a good team they drop at least 125 on us. The worst part is the lakers aren’t even a good team but they match up a little too well against us, in the past I’d be confident in a playoff series against them. This year I want nothing to do with them
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:59 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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The people who want to run off BI are so short sighted
So you want to get rid of either Jones or Murphy instead?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:41 pm to brmark70816
Herb is already accounted for. BI is an easy choice over Trey as of now
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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We are top 10 in opponents Points in the Paint
The starting lineup allows a 71% fg% at the rim. Jonas has the two worst DFG% at the rim for any player who plays and defends a decent amount, Nance isn’t too far behind him.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:56 am to shel311
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Why is virtually everyone in our rotation able to get up more 3s than BI? Why is BI the only dude that needs that type of help to get up 3s
Because BI sets up other people for open threes, but nobody sets up BI for open threes. He’s not Steph or Dame, he needs someone to draw a crowd and pass him the ball when he’s open for three. Zion is the only one who can but he’s not a guard, and CJ is somehow third in assists when he should be leading the team. Remember, BI leads the team in assists. He’s essentially our point guard while also our best scoring guard. If we had a legit PG, not a shooting guard playing PG, I’m willing to bet he’d get more threes.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:03 am to saintslsupels
quote:BI averages 1.2 more assists per game than CJ but BI averages 3.9 3s per game and CJ 8.0. That does not explain the difference based on your reasoning. 1 assist but over 4 less 3s per game?
Because BI sets up other people for open threes, but nobody sets up BI for open threes. He’s not Steph or Dame, he needs someone to draw a crowd and pass him the ball when he’s open for three. Zion is the only one who can but he’s not a guard
quote:CJ is an off ball guard we're using as a catch and shoot player because that is his best role, and he has lower usage than both Zion and BI, why would he have more assists than our 2 lead facilitators?
and CJ is somehow third in assists when he should be leading the team.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:20 am to shel311
Seriously man try to stick to one point.
You’re arguing literally anything you don’t agree with. This isn’t about why CJ is third in assists.
You are somewhat making my point. BI doesn’t have the luxury of being used as an off ball guard. He’s acting as a point guard so that CJ can play off ball and take more catch and shoot threes.
Who’s acting as the point guard so that BI can take more catch and shoot threes? I think BI should take more threes, but right now he’s both our best scoring guard and leads the team in assists. And his style isn’t like Steph or Dame so he’s not taking quick threes or off the dribble threes. You can get mad and argue all you want but when the same player is the primary ball handler and scoring guard and also leads the team in assists, and also doesn’t play like Steph or Dame, it’s going be hard to get up a bunch of threes.
Again you’re arguing my point whether you realize it or not. If we had a point guard who’s best role was drawing a crowd and finding open three point shooters, then BI would most likely have more three point shots.
I def think BI should shoot more threes, my post reads like more of an excuse, but the roster doesn’t make it quite that simple.
You’re arguing literally anything you don’t agree with. This isn’t about why CJ is third in assists.
You are somewhat making my point. BI doesn’t have the luxury of being used as an off ball guard. He’s acting as a point guard so that CJ can play off ball and take more catch and shoot threes.
Who’s acting as the point guard so that BI can take more catch and shoot threes? I think BI should take more threes, but right now he’s both our best scoring guard and leads the team in assists. And his style isn’t like Steph or Dame so he’s not taking quick threes or off the dribble threes. You can get mad and argue all you want but when the same player is the primary ball handler and scoring guard and also leads the team in assists, and also doesn’t play like Steph or Dame, it’s going be hard to get up a bunch of threes.
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CJ is an off ball guard we're using as a catch and shoot player because that is his best role
Again you’re arguing my point whether you realize it or not. If we had a point guard who’s best role was drawing a crowd and finding open three point shooters, then BI would most likely have more three point shots.
I def think BI should shoot more threes, my post reads like more of an excuse, but the roster doesn’t make it quite that simple.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:23 am to saintslsupels
quote:I replied to YOUR points
Seriously man try to stick to one point.
quote:I replied to YOUR post making a point about CJ. If you didn't want that to be discussed, you should have not posted it.
You’re arguing literally anything you don’t agree with. This isn’t about why CJ is third in assists.
quote:Except your point fails when CJ is averaging 8 3s per game and only 1 assist less than BI. The numbers show that your entire premise just doesn't make sense.
Again you’re arguing my point whether you realize it or not.
That extra 1 assist per game for BI is why CJ can shoot 4 more 3s per game than BI? That doesn't make sense.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:27 am to shel311
Well this is why we can’t have nice things. Learn to disagree with someone without turning into a huge thing. You make this board more insufferable than it needs to be.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:31 am to saintslsupels
quote:You do realize that is what you did, not me right?
Learn to disagree with someone without turning into a huge thing
I simply replied to you with my disagreement, didn't get personal, didn't get pissy...quite simply gave my rebuttal as to why I disagreed with your take.
You then made it into a thing and cried about it.
I did exactly what you said we should do, and then you flipped out because I did exactly what you said we should do.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:34 am to saintslsupels
quote:
Because BI sets up other people for open threes, but nobody sets up BI for open threes. He’s not Steph or Dame, he needs someone to draw a crowd and pass him the ball when he’s open for three
He also does nothing off ball to help himself. He just stands there. He should be moving off ball and finding the open space
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:41 am to shel311
I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about and I think you’re just looking for any reason to get into an argument.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:44 am to Balsamic_duck
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He also does nothing off ball to help himself. He just stands there. He should be moving off ball and finding the open space
That’s a good point, BI doesn’t want to stretch his comfort zone enough for a guy that wants to be a max contract player. All I’m saying is having a pass first point guard would help with him shooting more threes.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:47 am to saintslsupels
quote:Because you're incapable of keeping up and seeing past your tears of when I reply to you.
I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about
You said I made it a "huge thing" with this specific post:
Huge thing?
Where's this huge thing you speak of?
Since you admitted you have no idea what's going on, I'll do you a solid and show you the exact moment a "huge thing" was made out of a simple, cordial disagreement.
Right here
Read those 2 posts. Don't lie to yourself or anyone else on Pels Talk. Read the 2 posts, then come back and reply and tell us which one made things a huge deal.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 10:49 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:56 am to shel311
If you’re really this upset over anything I said then you may want to get some help.
Nobody should be this enraged on a frickin Pels basketball forum.
quote:
Read those 2 posts. Don't lie to yourself or anyone else on Pels Talk
Nobody should be this enraged on a frickin Pels basketball forum.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:03 am to saintslsupels
quote:This poster is upset
If you’re really this upset over anything Insaid then you may want to get some help.
quote:This poster is enraged
Nobody should be this enraged
You can't find a single post I made where I'm upset and made a huge thing like you did. If so, show me...
You don't realize you did the thing you're now crying about. The sooner you realize the better for you.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:04 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:09 am to shel311
Ok man great point, clearly you’re not mad and even more clearly you’re definitely not rage posting.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:19 am to saintslsupels
quote:Quote exactly where the rage and "huge thing" is.
Ok man great point, clearly you’re not mad and even more clearly you’re definitely not rage posting.
LINK
Don't slink away, quote the exact words from that post where I made it a huge thing.
But yea, this is where you slink away, and change the subject...
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:20 am
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