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re: I'll say what no one will
Posted on 2/23/16 at 9:58 pm to 504ByrdGang
Posted on 2/23/16 at 9:58 pm to 504ByrdGang
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So he's playing really good against back ups
Starters only play 18 mins a game now?
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Starters only play 18 mins a game now?
yes.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:00 pm to htran90
Holiday has a top 5 usage rate when he plays without evans. He's going to put up good fantasy numbers
And people thought individual +/- was flawed, take a look at team +/-
We just lost by 20. Shitty teams takes solace in the individual stats of their players. Jrue, Davis, whoever, it doesn't matter when we have a team this bad. Wins some games and let's start talking about how well the TEAM is playing
And people thought individual +/- was flawed, take a look at team +/-
We just lost by 20. Shitty teams takes solace in the individual stats of their players. Jrue, Davis, whoever, it doesn't matter when we have a team this bad. Wins some games and let's start talking about how well the TEAM is playing
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:07 pm to GynoSandberg
I never said the Pelicans were good. I just don't think one of the three good players we have is the problem.
Blame the fact that at any given time, at least two players on the court can be completely ignored by defenses and it doesn't matter at all.
It's a wonder AD isn't triple teamed all game long.
Blame the fact that at any given time, at least two players on the court can be completely ignored by defenses and it doesn't matter at all.
It's a wonder AD isn't triple teamed all game long.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:11 pm to GynoSandberg
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Holiday has a top 5 usage rate when he plays without evans. He's going to put up good fantasy numbers
And people thought individual +/- was flawed, take a look at team +/-
We just lost by 20. Shitty teams takes solace in the individual stats of their players. Jrue, Davis, whoever, it doesn't matter when we have a team this bad. Wins some games and let's start talking about how well the TEAM is playing
Exactly all this "Jrue is so great look at his numbers" but we are awful. He's basically doing what he did in Philly his last year when the team was bad he got his stats.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:14 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Exactly all this "Jrue is so great look at his numbers" but we are awful.
So why not make the same thread about AD?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:17 pm to THRILLHO
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So why not make the same thread about AD?
Because number show AD is having a down year compared to last when we were winning. People trashed Tyreke number saying you have to watch him to see how bad he was but he sure did win us game. But with Jrue no matter how bad the team is it's "look at his numbers and how good he is".
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:19 pm to hendersonshands
I know baw, just speaking generally
AD's 59 or the team's +/- with Jrue on the floor would be fun to harp on if the team wasn't 12 games under .500
This is when someone says who cares this season is a wash, we are just playing to gel and get ready for next year!!!
Signed,
The past 5 years
AD's 59 or the team's +/- with Jrue on the floor would be fun to harp on if the team wasn't 12 games under .500
This is when someone says who cares this season is a wash, we are just playing to gel and get ready for next year!!!
Signed,
The past 5 years
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:19 pm to 504ByrdGang
AD is still putting up great stats though, and we are awful like you said.
And the root of the problem with the Tyreke issue is the low IQ plays and the heroball mode he goes into late games. Jrue is a smart, high IQ basketball player and that's want you want to pair with AD.
And the root of the problem with the Tyreke issue is the low IQ plays and the heroball mode he goes into late games. Jrue is a smart, high IQ basketball player and that's want you want to pair with AD.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:32 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Because number show AD is having a down year compared to last when we were winning. People trashed Tyreke number saying you have to watch him to see how bad he was but he sure did win us game. But with Jrue no matter how bad the team is it's "look at his numbers and how good he is".
Tyreke also had:
EG instead of BDJ
QPon instead of Gee
Smart cole instead of dumb cole
healthy asik instead of injured asik
the team as a unit played better because they were healthy.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:35 pm to htran90
QPon was actually huge for us down the stretch. A competent wing that could hit 3s and demanded respect from defenses. Teams don't even pay attention to Gee in the corner.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:36 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Jrue is super overrated by this fanbase. His game leaves no impact on this teams on wins. He can score 10points or 30 points but unless everyone else around him has a good game with that it doesn't matter. He's a guy who can get points but doesn't cause disruptions to other teams defense. He's a great role player and a guy who would fit well with other stars to do small things but you can't depend on him to lead you to wins.
Yawn.....And Tyreke is super underrated. No one gives him the respect he deserves.
The funny thing is I saw your name as the thread starter and read the thread title and I already knew what this was gonna be about. Says something doesn't it?
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:53 pm to htran90
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Tyreke also had:
EG instead of BDJ
QPon instead of Gee
Smart cole instead of dumb cole
healthy asik instead of injured asik
the team as a unit played better because they were healthy.
You also had Ajinca and Cunningham in contract years. Not to mention EG was the second best catch and shoot player in the league.... And at this point I would say a coach that knew how to use the roster better.
I like Jrue as a third or even fourth option on a elite roster. I like Evans as a 6th man that sometimes finishes games. The problem we have is one guy is willing to accept and embrace any role that helps the team and the other guy hasn't matured enough to fully do the same.
Which puts me in a position that if I have to choose, I will take the guy that embraces the team above himself. Or as Gregg Poppovich said when asked what they look for in players:
quote:
We're looking for people — and I've said it many times — [who] have gotten over themselves, and you can tell that pretty quickly. You can talk to somebody for four or five minutes, and you can tell if it's about them, or if they understand that they're just a piece of the puzzle
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:30 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Which puts me in a position that if I have to choose, I will take the guy that embraces the team above himself.
honestly, the most likeable thing about Ryno and Jrue are their willingness to do what they have to for the team to succeed. Coming off the bench is a big ego-check for players.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:44 am to htran90
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Setting up Davis should be every Pelican guard's primary job, but Holiday's the only one who actually does it. Davis' true shooting percentage nearly 60 percent when Holiday plays and less than 53 percent when he doesn't, per NBA.com's media stats page. Davis takes 42 percent of his shots inside of five feet with Holiday in and just 31 percent when he's out. No other Pelican consistently sets Davis up for layups and dunks.
/thread
Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:21 am to LosLobos111
The combination of jrue coming back, Eric qpon and Cole hitting threes at about 40% last year are why we went on that run at the end of the season last year.
But it was mainly jrue. Joel Meyers constantly commented during games about how different and quicker the offense looked with jrue on the court. Now we have a new system and 60% of our guys don't fit it (thanks dell). There are several reasons why the team sucks this year but jrue ain't it.
But it was mainly jrue. Joel Meyers constantly commented during games about how different and quicker the offense looked with jrue on the court. Now we have a new system and 60% of our guys don't fit it (thanks dell). There are several reasons why the team sucks this year but jrue ain't it.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:25 am to tgr4ever
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Since December 1st Pelicans are -143 with Jrue Holiday on the bench and +116 with him on the floor.
The fact that the team can be so fricking bad and Jrue is a +116 speaks volume. VOLUMES.
Listen, OP is wrong about Holiday as a player. He's a very good player and clearly 2nd best on this team.
That said, he has a point on +/-. Who you play against, the guy you replace, who you play with, all matter in any sort of +/- stat. Holiday, just by replacing a terrible player like Cole, will almost always have a good +/- in this situation. Starting, off the bench, whatever.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:13 am to corndeaux
Yeah, the OP is clearly #TeamTyreke and has a defensive mindset about how he's fallen out of favor here. The problem with Tyreke on this team is that the style of play Gentry wants isn't a natural fit for how Tyreke plays. Had we hired Thibs instead I think Thibs might have been able to mold Tyreke into an All Star because of how much control he takes with his teams. Uncle Al isn't a micromanager at all, Exhibit A Norris Cole is out of control and nobody with a clipboard seems to care. With this coach moving on from Tyreke is best for everyone involved and thinking he's somehow an answer to what's ailing the Pels is crazy. The real shame is that if Tyreke's 3 point shot is legit now, he's filled in one of the biggest holes in his game besides IQ. He could be really good in a different system.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:26 am to TigerinATL
For all of the Jrue lovers and Reke haters...
someone please do a very simple exercise....
compile W/L records with and without each player over the last 3 years.
I believe most of you will be surprised.....Very much so.
I love the regurgitating of Reke's low IQ and Jrue's high IQ, yet the lemmings can't see for themselves...
Jrue chuncks up a bad 3 pointer the first time he touches the ball almost every game, and that's smart??
Jrue is an elite defender.... for 8 seconds, and then his man blows by him for the wide open layup. Or he is on him.... great D.... then next thing you know.....JRUE'S MAN IS WIDE OPEN. I must have a different opinion of what great defense is. I mean, he SHUT DOWN WALL...
next comes the Westwolf.... I can't wait to see this elite defense in action.
Again... LOOK AT THE RECORDS. While our record has always sucked since AD has been here --- at least we are better when he plays.
In 3.5 years.... do we win more or less when Jrue plays??? Tell me of his great value again!
someone please do a very simple exercise....
compile W/L records with and without each player over the last 3 years.
I believe most of you will be surprised.....Very much so.
I love the regurgitating of Reke's low IQ and Jrue's high IQ, yet the lemmings can't see for themselves...
Jrue chuncks up a bad 3 pointer the first time he touches the ball almost every game, and that's smart??
Jrue is an elite defender.... for 8 seconds, and then his man blows by him for the wide open layup. Or he is on him.... great D.... then next thing you know.....JRUE'S MAN IS WIDE OPEN. I must have a different opinion of what great defense is. I mean, he SHUT DOWN WALL...
next comes the Westwolf.... I can't wait to see this elite defense in action.
Again... LOOK AT THE RECORDS. While our record has always sucked since AD has been here --- at least we are better when he plays.
In 3.5 years.... do we win more or less when Jrue plays??? Tell me of his great value again!
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:37 am to Balloon Huffer
quote:
For all of the Jrue lovers and Reke haters...
someone please do a very simple exercise....
compile W/L records with and without each player over the last 3 years.
I believe most of you will be surprised.....Very much so.
I love the regurgitating of Reke's low IQ and Jrue's high IQ, yet the lemmings can't see for themselves...
Jrue chuncks up a bad 3 pointer the first time he touches the ball almost every game, and that's smart??
Jrue is an elite defender.... for 8 seconds, and then his man blows by him for the wide open layup. Or he is on him.... great D.... then next thing you know.....JRUE'S MAN IS WIDE OPEN. I must have a different opinion of what great defense is. I mean, he SHUT DOWN WALL...
next comes the Westwolf.... I can't wait to see this elite defense in action.
Again... LOOK AT THE RECORDS. While our record has always sucked since AD has been here --- at least we are better when he plays.
In 3.5 years.... do we win more or less when Jrue plays??? Tell me of his great value again!
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