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Ferry Impact: sign Bazemore v find the next Bazemore
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:29 pm
Lots of speculation out there that the Pelicans will pursue Bazemore in FA as Ferry was a huge, huge Bazemore proponent.
On the flip side, many are saying they think it's more likely that Ferry will prefer to find low risk, cheap signings and "find" the next guy like that.
I think Baze is more of a question of how we attack FA.
So, what's the more likely approach? What impact could Ferry have on the FA approach?
On the flip side, many are saying they think it's more likely that Ferry will prefer to find low risk, cheap signings and "find" the next guy like that.
I think Baze is more of a question of how we attack FA.
So, what's the more likely approach? What impact could Ferry have on the FA approach?
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:45 pm to Fun Bunch
If he is still working for the Hawks, I don't really see him making an impact on the players we sign or players we go after.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:46 pm to supe12sta12z
Well, he's not working for the Hawks.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:48 pm to supe12sta12z
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If he is still working for the Hawks, I don't really see him making an impact on the players we sign or players we go after.
Ah, you might want to check the thread right below this one.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 6:54 pm to supe12sta12z
It happens. 
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:35 pm to Fun Bunch
More Harklessan athletic young guy who has shown flashes. He basically like Bazemore on the Warriors.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:09 pm to Fun Bunch
Would want
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:37 pm to Fun Bunch
I have mixed feelings about Bazemore. He's got the same tweener deficiency as QPon. If we're in the playoffs against a team with a big SF you probably have to play Cunningham or someone like Dudley if you sign him. Throw drafting Buddy into the mix and you could end up with 2 of Hield/QPon/Bazemore sitting on the bench for much of the game. Is that too much duplication or a good problem to have? Because the small ball lineup would be pretty potent. Jrue/QPon/Bazemore/Dudley/AD and you'd still have Hield to swap in.
Regarding the original question of do they go with knowns or unknowns, guys like Carroll weren't exactly unknown, in fact MM pointed him out as a guy to target. So I think it all depends on what Ferry sees as available in the bargain bin. If he sees players ready to bloom you have to go the cheap route. Not only is it the smart thing to do, those guys are usually more hungry.
Regarding the original question of do they go with knowns or unknowns, guys like Carroll weren't exactly unknown, in fact MM pointed him out as a guy to target. So I think it all depends on what Ferry sees as available in the bargain bin. If he sees players ready to bloom you have to go the cheap route. Not only is it the smart thing to do, those guys are usually more hungry.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:23 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah I'm not overpaying for a guy like bazemore would rather someone I know will put up consistent number for a smaller salary
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:11 pm to Macintosh504
Anybody that you KNOW will put up numbers will get a bigger salary though. Literally any semi known product is gonna get a salary that makes you say, "What??!!" this summer
So, you either pay 10+ mil for the known thing or take a gamble on unknowns like a Brandon Rush type and hope you hit. You aren't getting a known AND value
So, you either pay 10+ mil for the known thing or take a gamble on unknowns like a Brandon Rush type and hope you hit. You aren't getting a known AND value
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:13 pm to Crewz
Isn't bazemore looking for a max deal? Like 12-15 mil a year?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:25 pm to Crewz
quote:I wouldn't consider Bazemore a "known thing."
Anybody that you KNOW will put up numbers will get a bigger salary though. Literally any semi known product is gonna get a salary that makes you say, "What??!!" this summer So, you either pay 10+ mil for the known thing or take a gamble on unknowns like a Brandon Rush type and hope you hit. You aren't getting a known AND value
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:41 pm to NOSHAU
I tend to agree. The guy I was responding to said he would pass on Bazemore and get a known thing for less
My whole point was that known guys won't get less than a guy who might not even be a known thing themselves
I know we say it all the time, but people really have to readjust prices. Not only will the cap be higher but with shorter contracts in this CBA, there will be more free agents every year.
My whole point was that known guys won't get less than a guy who might not even be a known thing themselves
I know we say it all the time, but people really have to readjust prices. Not only will the cap be higher but with shorter contracts in this CBA, there will be more free agents every year.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:44 pm to Macintosh504
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Isn't bazemore looking for a max deal? Like 12-15 mil a year?
A max deal is a lot more than 12-15 per year.
He isn't going to get a max deal (his max is 21 mil or so, unless he's been in the league longer than I think.)
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:07 pm to Epic Cajun
I would be totally fine with signing Bazemore to $10-11m/yr. Hopefully Ferry can improve our chances. Very good defender (13th in the NBA in DRtg and 18th in defensive win shares). Competent 3pt shooter. He'd be a great pickup. Plus I'm biased towards southpaws.
Only issue I have has been mentioned before: he's undersized for a 3. If we went with Bender in the draft to pair with AD in finishing lineups, that could be compensated for a bit. Have to worry about him switching on to 4's, though.
Only issue I have has been mentioned before: he's undersized for a 3. If we went with Bender in the draft to pair with AD in finishing lineups, that could be compensated for a bit. Have to worry about him switching on to 4's, though.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:52 pm to THRILLHO
I just have a had time recalling the scrappy, try hard player who came out of nowhere, signed a big contract and then outplayed it. AT BEST, he plays at or near the value at his deal.
I'd rather take that same money, throw it at 3 hungry guys and let them fight it out like the mob members with the pool sticks in the Dark Knight. Either thrive or you are likely out of the league
I want hungry guys. I want the next Demarre or Bazemore, not ones who fought and clawed and now are going to be rewarded with a huge check, so they don't have to be as hungry anymore. It's not like their talent is transcendent, it's their hunger that helped them take that next step. Start feeding them well, and they are right back to being that same marginally talented player nobody wanted prior to being given the opportunity
I'd rather take that same money, throw it at 3 hungry guys and let them fight it out like the mob members with the pool sticks in the Dark Knight. Either thrive or you are likely out of the league
I want hungry guys. I want the next Demarre or Bazemore, not ones who fought and clawed and now are going to be rewarded with a huge check, so they don't have to be as hungry anymore. It's not like their talent is transcendent, it's their hunger that helped them take that next step. Start feeding them well, and they are right back to being that same marginally talented player nobody wanted prior to being given the opportunity
Posted on 6/9/16 at 12:14 am to Crewz
quote:
I want hungry guys. I want the next Demarre or Bazemore, not ones who fought and clawed and now are going to be rewarded with a huge check, so they don't have to be as hungry anymore. It's not like their talent is transcendent, it's their hunger that helped them take that next step. Start feeding them well, and they are right back to being that same marginally talented player nobody wanted prior to being given the opportunity
Posted on 6/9/16 at 6:41 am to THRILLHO
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I would be totally fine with signing Bazemore to $10-11m/yr.
Everyone would. The problem is I think you're going to see his value rise to the $15m+ range
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