re: Dyson Stans

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Why not? I doubt he'll be expensive to retain and I'm pretty sure the team will value his defense enough to want to keep him in the long run.

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Because you can use him in trade talks to upgrade elsewhere. The timeline isn’t about Dyson- its about this team centered around Zion winning now. Which means you sacrifice a young piece like Dyson to get what you need NOW to win.

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I don't see Dyson as a piece you're using as an asset in any trade. Teams most likely won't value a guy who little to no offense. Hawkins would be the asset in a trade.

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Ok so you’re stating that Dyson’s offense is so bad hes not even an asset to another team. Shouldnt that worry you then?

I mean in reality he needs to improve dramatically in 2 years because I dont see Pels picking up his fourth year option of 10 mil on him if he doesn’t. I mean what scares me is he went from 31 percent from 3 to 28 percent this year. That is remarkably bad and basically unplayable on offense around Zion and BI. Basically, nba players substantially improve in their second year- Dyson has gotten worse from the 3pt line. His defense has improved but again still a nonfactor on offense. Thats not promising at all.

His value to this team is going to be different from most teams. Teams aren't going to want a 6/7mil contract for a guy who has as little offense as he has at the moment. And they're not going to want that kind of contract to find out.

This team drafted him knowing it will take awhile to develop him. So they'll be patient with him while they utilize his other skillsets.

Whether Dyson's offensive development pays off remains to be seen but he needs to show something in year 3.

Dyson has the luxury of playing with superstars who draw a lot of gravity. Literally all Dyson has to develop is decisiveness: when he has a lane he has to attack using that floater, he needs to use his size around the rim better, he needs to shoot confidently when he’s being dared to. His passing is fine. It’s just about making himself a threat on offense and that takes time for some players. Giddey just started hitting the 3. Legit a month ago teams were not guarding him from the perimeter at all. The reason Giddey is taking off in the last couple of weeks is decisiveness. He’s punishing teams for not giving him respect and Dyson can 100% develop that over time. Next year will be a good litmus test to see if Dyson is taking steps. I’m not going to overreact to the kid’s first NBA game off an injury that required knee surgery against the freaking Boston Celtics. He was making strides before the injury

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Giddey just started hitting the 3. Legit a month ago teams were not guarding him from the perimeter at all.

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You keep bringing up Giddey as comparison. Thats not really accurate. Even as a rookie Giddey was a good to elite passer and very good interior scorer. Again Dyson doesn’t have any of these characteristics.

Apples to oranges again. Giddey had better numbers as a rookie cause he was playing on a losing team and given the green light to expedite development. Dyson has plenty of time to develop into an effective role player and eventually more. There’s no reason to hit the panic button this early

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And they are both 6’8 lengthy guards and both happen to be Australian. Pretty much my basis for comparison but it’s fine if you disagree with that

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Um yeah please don’t use JUST nationality and height as the basis of your comparison. Their games are completely different. The top reasons Giddey was drafted was due to his interior scoring and elite passing. Dyson was strictly drafted because of his defense.

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He could end up being more Exum than Kiddy as well. Kiddy has better touch around the rim and can jump naturally off of 1 foot. Dyson is more athletic but he's a two foot jumper who needs to gather and then explode.

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I believe this is a better comparison. Unfortunately, it took Exum a long time and leaving the NBA before he became the player he is now.

Exum is also Australian so I will allow this comp

Dyson is famously a hard worker, though. He isn't Jaxson Hayes, where it was obvious after two years that he'd never achieve his potential, because he didn't want it enough.

And y'all are forgetting that, prior to injury, there were a number of signs of improvement in his offensive game, including an improved floater and sharp passing.