re: Dyson Stans

Dyson is the same age right now as sophomore Herb in college.

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It’s imperative that when you draft someone who doesn’t work out that you cut bait and move on

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Certainly

The idea of cutting bait with the guy who just turned 21 13 days ago is pretty silly.

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ETA: there are none

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This is not true.

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This past deadline he prob had some value, what is his value now? Let me answer that, it’s fricking no value. It’s a tough business. “Hope is it a plan.”

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In fairness, giving up on a young player less than 2 years into his career isn't a plan either.

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His offense is nearly as bad as his defense is good, but you’ve gotta get him minutes in order to at least get him to below average on the offensive side.

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Sure but not if those minutes are costing us games and playoff seeding. At the end of the day its more important to position this team for success than to give developmental minutes to Dyson. I love Hawkins too but if hes costing us games down the stretch you have to sit him.

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Most of the negative posters in here would've hated Herb his first two seasons, except we weren't good enough back then for anyone to complain.

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At the moment...I'm just tryin' to stay quiet on Dyson...& let folks badmouth him all they want...He's already our 2nd best defensive player...and he's a mile ahead of our 3rd best defender. He's be here...when some of our other current (rotation) players are long gone. Some will be traded (if possible) & some will probably just be allowed to "walk".

Dyson's offense will get better...not much way for it NOT to do so. He's a "keeper"...and we'll ALL be glad we have him...before too much longer.

Dyson has a ton of offensive skill and will be fine shot wise. It’s all a confidence thing for him, he just needs time on task. Not slightly worried about him

Man, I hope you guys are right on Dyson. I just don't see it. He looks mechanical and stiff on offense, handling the ball, shooting. I don't recall a guy who looked this uncomfortable on offense becoming a good all around player. When I think where the Pels might be right now if we'd just taken Jalen Williams instead of Dyson...

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Man, I hope you guys are right on Dyson. I just don't see it.

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I don’t think Dyson is some lost cause. He has real ability on the defense end. That being said I’m not sure when his offense will come around and if the pels will be patient enough for it to come around. Basically, Im not sure Dyson’s timeline will matchup with what Pels need going forward.

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Dyson is one of the three possible trade pieces we could use this summer (along with CJ and BI). I could see a Walker Kessler trade, for example. But I definitely don't want to trade Dyson. I think that he's going to end up as a DPOY.

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I agree with this. I think eventually he’ll be traded. I also agree he has DPOY potential but unfortunately I’m not sure he’ll be with the pels when he gets close to that level.

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A year and half ago, Herb Jones was no better offensively than Dyson is now.

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I keep hearing this but I’m not sure this is really accurate statistically and just the way they play offensively. Herb has averaged at least over 9 points since his rookie year, has statistically been a better shooter than Dyson since his rookie year and when it comes to off ball movements and transition offense even as a rookie Herb was really good at this. But most of all there’s the confidence issue which Herb never had issues with make or miss. Meanwhile you can tell Dyson has severe confidence issues on the offensive end in his second year.

Again I love Dyson’s defensive upside but his offensive issues are a lot worse than Herb’s were even in his rookie year.

Go watch Dyson’s Squadron highlights. He looked fluid and confident knowing he was playing scrubs and he abused them. Even took a deep jab step 3 he buried. He will be great on both ends. Josh Giddey is kind of his Australian comparison/similar body types and Giddey is a year ahead and finally starting to make a real contribution on offense. He looks assertive and unstoppable running the point at 6’8. And Giddey will never be close to the defender Dyson already is

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Go watch Dyson’s Squadron highlights. He looked fluid and confident knowing he was playing scrubs and he abused them. Even took a deep jab step 3 he buried. He will be great on both ends.

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I did and honestly the gleague is bad. Saying he will be “great” on BOTH ends is unrealistic. He needs to be at least be close to average offensively.

Giddey again as a rookie was a much better passer and interior player than Dyson was. And now Giddey is making 3s. I’ll say this again, currently there is nothing Dyson does well offensively.