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Posted on 2/10/17 at 2:22 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
quote:That is not true. Just because Kevin Martin was included in the trade, we all of a sudden had all the pieces to acquire Harden? Did we have Jeremy Lamb (a rookie - the 12th pick in the draft), a 2013 lottery 1st rounder, 2103 2nd rounder (1st pick of 2nd round) and a 2014 1st round pick available to trade?
The point is that we would have been able to trade for James Harden who is more able to carry a team than AD.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 5:43 pm to karralum
From what I understand, Loomis has very little, if anything to do with the day to day operations of the Pelicans.
He there to oversee things for Tom Benson.
He there to oversee things for Tom Benson.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:48 pm to NOSHAU
Man y'all are truly missing the point. Don't come and say Demps is horrible because of that trade. There are plenty of reasons to question Demps, but that should obviously at this point not be one of them.
We have nothing to show for that trade. Literally nothing now that Qpon is probably done.
Meanwhile we would have acquired Dragic. We would have gotten the Rockets first. Lamar Odom was traded for a Mavericks first. We "could" have traded Kevin Martin, Rockets first, our own first, maybe Mavericks first, who knows. That's the point.
Every time you say hindsight, and oh who knew etc, you prove the point. Dell acquired perfectly fine assets. And now years later, isn't that obvious?? We don't know what he would have done from there, but what he acquired was perfectly fine and what he was given was not what he wanted. And that forced trade is a major part of his present picture.
We have nothing to show for that trade. Literally nothing now that Qpon is probably done.
Meanwhile we would have acquired Dragic. We would have gotten the Rockets first. Lamar Odom was traded for a Mavericks first. We "could" have traded Kevin Martin, Rockets first, our own first, maybe Mavericks first, who knows. That's the point.
Every time you say hindsight, and oh who knew etc, you prove the point. Dell acquired perfectly fine assets. And now years later, isn't that obvious?? We don't know what he would have done from there, but what he acquired was perfectly fine and what he was given was not what he wanted. And that forced trade is a major part of his present picture.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 7:50 pm to Jon1798
quote:If you want to paint that rosy picture, you would also have to acknowledge that had he made that trade, the likelihood of the Pelicans getting AD would have been slim to none.
Man y'all are truly missing the point. Don't come and say Demps is horrible because of that trade. There are plenty of reasons to question Demps, but that should obviously at this point not be one of them. We have nothing to show for that trade. Literally nothing now that Qpon is probably done. Meanwhile we would have acquired Dragic. We would have gotten the Rockets first. Lamar Odom was traded for a Mavericks first. We "could" have traded Kevin Martin, Rockets first, our own first, maybe Mavericks first, who knows. That's the point. Every time you say hindsight, and oh who knew etc, you prove the point. Dell acquired perfectly fine assets. And now years later, isn't that obvious?? We don't know what he would have done from there, but what he acquired was perfectly fine and what he was given was not what he wanted. And that forced trade is a major part of his present picture
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:16 pm to Jon1798
Except the point you are missing is how those players were viewed at the time. Im glad you brought up hindsight because that what you are speaking with.
At the time of the trade Eric Gordon was not a broken headcase. He was viewed as one of the better rising young Shooting guards at the time
Aminu was a really young guy who had flashes of being a really good player as well.
Kamen was a real serviceable center at the time.
Its easy to say now that what we got was junk. But at the time we had young pieces with bright futures. I made that trade over the other 10/10 times.
At the time of the trade Eric Gordon was not a broken headcase. He was viewed as one of the better rising young Shooting guards at the time
Aminu was a really young guy who had flashes of being a really good player as well.
Kamen was a real serviceable center at the time.
Its easy to say now that what we got was junk. But at the time we had young pieces with bright futures. I made that trade over the other 10/10 times.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:59 pm to Crewz
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Uh, actually I do think Demps is a poor GM and have written more fire Demps pieces than anyone
But we just have to take you at your word that you're telling the truth since you refuse to link to any of them...
And to preempt your response that you Googled it in five seconds, if you think that's an acceptable response to a request for a link, you obviously have no idea how Google's search algorithm works. If you indeed wrote these alleged articles, nobody would have any way of knowing which you supposedly wrote without knowing either your real name (or whatever name goes in your byline), or the title of the article. A lot of people have been critical of Demps. If you really wrote these articles why are you so afraid to link one of them?
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:09 am to Number 31
Everyone else here except you does know my real name dumb dumb
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:36 am to NOSHAU
Getting AD has nothing to do with the trade. Eric Gordon got hurt, and we finished with the fourth best opportunity and magically won the lottery. We could have traded our guys for picks and ended up in the same spot. We could have finished 6th worst and maybe the NBA fixes the lottery anyway. Maybe we don't win the lottery after the trade we got and ended up with Thomas Robinson instead.
None of those scenarios have an ounce of impact on the discussion. Demps had made a perfectly acceptable asset deal. The Rockets actually were the ones giving up too much for Gasol. I cringe every time I still see people throw that out.
You have the Asik trade and extension to bash. How on earth would you focus on something he may have been doing right?
None of those scenarios have an ounce of impact on the discussion. Demps had made a perfectly acceptable asset deal. The Rockets actually were the ones giving up too much for Gasol. I cringe every time I still see people throw that out.
You have the Asik trade and extension to bash. How on earth would you focus on something he may have been doing right?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 6:38 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:41 am to Sauce Castieaux
Again, you go back to hindsight which proves my point.
Look, if you draft Greg Oden, and Demps drafts Kevin Durant, don't sit there and bash him as if taking Durant was this horrible deal. I don't care how much you thought Oden was going to be great, I think it's pretty apparent by now taking Durant wasn't a mistake. Even if you didn't see it at the time.
Look, if you draft Greg Oden, and Demps drafts Kevin Durant, don't sit there and bash him as if taking Durant was this horrible deal. I don't care how much you thought Oden was going to be great, I think it's pretty apparent by now taking Durant wasn't a mistake. Even if you didn't see it at the time.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 7:28 am to karralum
Since Day One of Benson''s ownership, Loomis has pretty much deferred to Demps on basketball and focused primarily on football. That should come as no surprise to anyone.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 1:15 am to Crewz
You're either lying about having written these articles you continuously plug but won't link or you're such a shitty writer that you're too embarrassed of your work to let us see it for fear of the ridicule you'd receive if you did.
It's incredibly pathetic.
"Look guys, I think Dell sucks. I even wrote all these awesome articles about how bad he is, but the dog ate them before I had a chance to publish them so you just have to believe me. I really did write them, and they're every bit as fabulous as I am."
It's incredibly pathetic.
"Look guys, I think Dell sucks. I even wrote all these awesome articles about how bad he is, but the dog ate them before I had a chance to publish them so you just have to believe me. I really did write them, and they're every bit as fabulous as I am."
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