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Cousins trade revisited
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am
Anybody know why the Kings didn't get our 2nd round pick (#40)? It was supposed to be part of the package..
It looks like the end result of the trade are..
Pelicans- Cousins (Casspi released)
Kings- Hield, Justin Jackson and Harry Giles (Galloway opted out, Evans is a FA)
I get Cousins is a star. But he makes 10M more than the 3 guys that the Kings got and is about to get paid big time. I would love to have some youth and watch some guys get better. Not the trade rape we were all led to believe IMO. Bulls got much less for Jimmy Butler..
It looks like the end result of the trade are..
Pelicans- Cousins (Casspi released)
Kings- Hield, Justin Jackson and Harry Giles (Galloway opted out, Evans is a FA)
I get Cousins is a star. But he makes 10M more than the 3 guys that the Kings got and is about to get paid big time. I would love to have some youth and watch some guys get better. Not the trade rape we were all led to believe IMO. Bulls got much less for Jimmy Butler..
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:39 am to brmark70816
And Frank Mason
Regardless, if Cousins works out and gels and re-signs, you do it every time. But if he bolts, its a colossal F up that means AD is out the door next
Regardless, if Cousins works out and gels and re-signs, you do it every time. But if he bolts, its a colossal F up that means AD is out the door next
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:47 am to brmark70816
It was a risk worth taking
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:48 am to brmark70816
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Bulls got much less for Jimmy Butler..
that's on the bulls not the pels
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:50 am to brmark70816
Looking at the trade again...I still can't believe the Kings traded an all-nba guy for pennies on the dollar.
Great job, Dell.
Great job, Dell.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:51 am to brmark70816
You go get the star every time.
We gave up jackshit for a player of his caliber.
We gave up jackshit for a player of his caliber.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:53 am to cgrand
Dunn was drafted higher than Buddy, 7 is greater than 10, and Levine is wayyyyyyy greater than pick 34. Please tell me you aren't saying that's "less".
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:56 am to brmark70816
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Kings- Hield, Justin Jackson and Harry Giles
I'm not sure how you are saying this is more than what the Wolves got? A #15 and #20 pick in the NBA draft vs the #7 and Kris Dunn if you go by the assumption Lavine = Hield?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:15 am to ShamelessPel
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I'm not sure how you are saying this is more than what the Wolves got? A #15 and #20 pick in the NBA draft vs the #7 and Kris Dunn if you go by the assumption Lavine = Hield?
Fair enough. I believe that Hield>Lavine. I base this more off Lavine's injury and Hield's ability as a two way player. Lavine was having a huge year though, before he got hurt. I just wouldn't trade for a guy, especially a super athlete, coming off an ACL tear that happened 4 months ago. He is not going to be ready for the beginning of the season and limited for at least a major portion. This is going to be a contract year for him as well.
Dunn and Jackson are a push to me. Dunn had a horrendous rookie year and is a big question mark. He could still be really good, if given the right situation and atmosphere. Jackson is a going to be a solid pro. I really can't see him busting. He is a great fit for the Kings. If pressed, I'd go with the surer thing in Jackson.
Markkanen vs Giles is tough. It's total projection and guess. Giles was the top prospect in the nation and is the most talented player in the draft. Injuries are a huge concern. Markkanen reminds me a lot of Cody Zeller, who has been a big disappointment. Toss up to me.
I also value Jimmy Butler way more than Cousins and believe he should have returned a much better package. I just think the Kings got more, but just my opinion..
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:42 am to brmark70816
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(Casspi released)
Still don't get this.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:55 am to gjackx
SirAlejandro will be around shortly to tell you that it's because Asik absolutely refused to be on the same team with a person from Israel. And then when you ask him for the slightest bit of proof to that effect, he'll disappear and go say some racist bullshite elsewhere.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:55 am to brmark70816
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I also value Jimmy Butler way more than Cousins and believe he should have returned a much better package
that's fair and probably right. but the Cousins deal was still a bad one too.
interesting thought- the Pels got Cousins b/c the Kings loved Hield. Dunc'd On pod made it seem like the Bulls loved Dunn. could the Pels have gotten Butler if they had landed at #5 and picked Dunn?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:10 am to corndeaux
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could the Pels have gotten Butler if they had landed at #5 and picked Dunn?
dunn, #10, PHI 2nd, evans & galloway?
that sounds a lot worse than dunn, lavine & #7
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:11 am to corndeaux
quote:
interesting thought- the Pels got Cousins b/c the Kings loved Hield. Dunc'd On pod made it seem like the Bulls loved Dunn. could the Pels have gotten Butler if they had landed at #5 and picked Dunn?
I thought the return for Butler was shite too. But A similar thought crossed my mind. More of a, could the Wolves have pulled that same trade off with Hield vein though. It's funny how some of these guys from that draft class are still viewed as high level prospects. Not that they don't have that potential. More that they've landed legit stars as centerpieces in trades.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:20 am to ShamelessPel
on butler:
wow
quote:
While Jimmy Butler will receive a trade bonus of $1.8 million as part of his move from the Chicago Bulls to the Minnesota Timberwolves, the inability to sign a Designated Veteran Player Exception will be massive. Butler will lose approximately $31 million over the life of a five-year contract he re-signs with the Wolves at 30 percent of the cap as opposed to 35 percent of the cap. Butler was a third team All-NBA selection in 16-17.
wow
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:32 pm to brmark70816
Hield is no where close to Lavines level. Lavine was better in the NBA at 19 and 20 that Buddy was in college. 
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:14 pm to Toula
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Hield is no where close to Lavines level. Lavine was better in the NBA at 19 and 20 that Buddy was in college.
We'll see how he comes back from the injury. He is a special athlete and he was really starting to emerge. But his game is predicated on explosiveness and there is no way to tell if he will come back as good as he was. Also, depending on what happens with Wade, he isn't going to be a starter. He will be sharing time and have his minutes cut big time (3rd in the league).
I'm not sure if McClemore will be back with the Kings, but they have a huge euro star coming over (Bogdanovic). Hield is going to have to beat him out for the position and they will be sharing minutes all year. So I don't think Hield's numbers are going to get much better. He'll just become more efficient and strengthen other parts of his game.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:23 pm to brmark70816
I think Hield's ceiling is about 17-20 PPG
Peak will likely be good, but not all-star level.
Peak will likely be good, but not all-star level.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:33 pm to CocoLoco
I don't think he'll ever be an all star, just a solid 14-15ppg guy. But a solid shooter, much like Reddick. Thats who I think he'll be like and that is solid. We are dying for a player like him. Especially on a cheap rookie contract..
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:44 pm to brmark70816
Hield finished his rookie season averaging 15ppg on 48% shooting and 43% from three with the Kings.
I'd say Hield has a solid future in this league.
I don't think all star will ever happen either, but I think his ceiling is definitely in that McCollum/Beal output range(20-23ppg) depending on the team.
I'd say Hield has a solid future in this league.
I don't think all star will ever happen either, but I think his ceiling is definitely in that McCollum/Beal output range(20-23ppg) depending on the team.
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