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Can this be our Main Offseason Target?
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:37 pm
With Jrue likely leaving in free agency, I looked at restricted, unrestricted, player options of this Free Agency class. This class is one of the weakest i can honestly ever recall, and with our luck in the lottery likely not netting us a pick, I thought of possible Jrue replacements. Now in a perfect world, Jrue would return to us and agree to be our starting 2, while we pick up a cheap starting PG like Sergio Rodriguez.
But the reality is this, Jrue is likely gone,Demps and Gentry knows it, and even if he does stay, we will have to move him to the SG position because Jrue Holiday is NOT a point guard.
So with all this mind, I thought of certain scenarios and ideals which all forces us to trade an promising big in Diallo, an 2018 first rounder, and possibly Tim Frazier.
Keep in mind all of these trades were ran through the NBA Trade Machine successfully
Scenario #1
Min- Diallo, Pondexter, Asik Pels 1st 2018 Rounder
NO- Rubio, Payne
Minny does this clearly for our 1st rounder, and to get a young promising big, as well as a relived? Rubio contract, and focus on their young promising PG in Dunn. I believe they would be willing to take Asik and Pondexter contract with hopes off stretching Asik and trying to have their medical staff rebirth Q- Pon career.
New Orleans gets their PG replacement and an back up big who maybe, with a change of scenery, can have a new NBA life.
Trade grade - C= This trade IMO does not move the needle enough, as Rubio shooting struggles combined with Hill will basically have us playing 3 on 5 , and cause major concerns in the playoffs.
Scenario # 2
Phx- Fraizer, Pondexter, Asik Pels 1st Rounder
NO- Bledsose
Phoenix is clearly ready to cut bait with their relationship with Bledsoe, as both sides are in mutual agreement to move on. They pick up a future pick and with the best medical staff in the NBA, their confidence is high with helping the injury riddled, but talented Pondexter and Asik.
New Orleans has their Kentucky bluegrass big 3 as Bledsoe provides a better version of Jrue holiday with scoring, PG awareness, and at the same time we save massive cap space to pick up more Free agent talents possibly like Rudy Gay, Ingles, and Rodgrguez.
Trade Grade C+ = Although Bledsoe is a talented proven young PG, he is also proven to have legit injury concerns. To go from the best medical staff in the league to the worst will be a massive gamble that im not sure will be worth the risk. B Knight can be an alternative choice, however his defense is atrocious and I dont believe will make us better then with Jrue Holiday.
These two scenarios were at the time the best i can see the pelicans do, until i realize a player has been massively overlooked in this entire evaluation.
Orlando- Etwuan Moore (return home), Diallo, Ajinca, Fraizer 2018 1st Rounder
Pels - Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier
Orlando goes with a new management and regime and drafts their new PG in Dennis Smith, while picking up some familiar vets in Moore, getting a promising young big, skilled Center, and a future pick for their young rebuilding future. They can also finally focus on super Mario, as Fournier and his contract is no longer an issue.
New Orleans brings back their Gretna son with the spunky hair, who is STILL on his rookie deal, and is showing great potential to be a very skillful PG that can play defense. With shooting coach Fred Venson, Payton vows to become a better shooter and a future walking triple double. Fournier has a new location to become the starting SG he i meant be.
Trade = B + Although our roster is gutted, we pick up two promising young players who shows great potential, and we also buy time sign more free agents.
[video=youtube;mtm8DhFAGoI]LINK ]
But the reality is this, Jrue is likely gone,Demps and Gentry knows it, and even if he does stay, we will have to move him to the SG position because Jrue Holiday is NOT a point guard.
So with all this mind, I thought of certain scenarios and ideals which all forces us to trade an promising big in Diallo, an 2018 first rounder, and possibly Tim Frazier.
Keep in mind all of these trades were ran through the NBA Trade Machine successfully
Scenario #1
Min- Diallo, Pondexter, Asik Pels 1st 2018 Rounder
NO- Rubio, Payne
Minny does this clearly for our 1st rounder, and to get a young promising big, as well as a relived? Rubio contract, and focus on their young promising PG in Dunn. I believe they would be willing to take Asik and Pondexter contract with hopes off stretching Asik and trying to have their medical staff rebirth Q- Pon career.
New Orleans gets their PG replacement and an back up big who maybe, with a change of scenery, can have a new NBA life.
Trade grade - C= This trade IMO does not move the needle enough, as Rubio shooting struggles combined with Hill will basically have us playing 3 on 5 , and cause major concerns in the playoffs.
Scenario # 2
Phx- Fraizer, Pondexter, Asik Pels 1st Rounder
NO- Bledsose
Phoenix is clearly ready to cut bait with their relationship with Bledsoe, as both sides are in mutual agreement to move on. They pick up a future pick and with the best medical staff in the NBA, their confidence is high with helping the injury riddled, but talented Pondexter and Asik.
New Orleans has their Kentucky bluegrass big 3 as Bledsoe provides a better version of Jrue holiday with scoring, PG awareness, and at the same time we save massive cap space to pick up more Free agent talents possibly like Rudy Gay, Ingles, and Rodgrguez.
Trade Grade C+ = Although Bledsoe is a talented proven young PG, he is also proven to have legit injury concerns. To go from the best medical staff in the league to the worst will be a massive gamble that im not sure will be worth the risk. B Knight can be an alternative choice, however his defense is atrocious and I dont believe will make us better then with Jrue Holiday.
These two scenarios were at the time the best i can see the pelicans do, until i realize a player has been massively overlooked in this entire evaluation.
Orlando- Etwuan Moore (return home), Diallo, Ajinca, Fraizer 2018 1st Rounder
Pels - Elfrid Payton, Evan Fournier
Orlando goes with a new management and regime and drafts their new PG in Dennis Smith, while picking up some familiar vets in Moore, getting a promising young big, skilled Center, and a future pick for their young rebuilding future. They can also finally focus on super Mario, as Fournier and his contract is no longer an issue.
New Orleans brings back their Gretna son with the spunky hair, who is STILL on his rookie deal, and is showing great potential to be a very skillful PG that can play defense. With shooting coach Fred Venson, Payton vows to become a better shooter and a future walking triple double. Fournier has a new location to become the starting SG he i meant be.
Trade = B + Although our roster is gutted, we pick up two promising young players who shows great potential, and we also buy time sign more free agents.
[video=youtube;mtm8DhFAGoI]LINK ]
This post was edited on 4/18/17 at 1:39 pm
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Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:49 pm to Silverfoxx
I would feel quite dejected if any one of those trades went through.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 1:52 pm to Silverfoxx
Orlando definitely wouldn't do that.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:15 pm to Silverfoxx
Bledsoe is at the top of my wish list whether Holiday stays or goes. But I really don't think you get him for the package you listed. I'm guessing it takes at a minimum Moore and Frazier going to a 3rd team for future assets that Phoenix would want in addition to our 2018 pick.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 2:47 pm to TigerinATL
Bledsoe doesn't have the worth Jrue did when we traded for him, and that was 2 1sts, and jrue wasn't injury prone like Bledsoe is.
I think if we took on knight and didn't give back bad contracts like Asik, absorbed some salary if we could, they might be more open to doing something with just us. They can't get rid of knight.
Bledsoe and Knight for Moore/Frazier/Ajinca(he might actually have some value and not be a complete negative) and 2018 first.
Not sure if we could do that salary wise, and I'm sure it would mean we would be operating under the cap so the rest of the lineup would be minimum guys.
Bledsoe/knight
Jrue/Crawford
Hill/DC
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Asik
Rest of the lineup would be minimum guys, maybe we get to keep Quinn and Toupane if they aremt waived to make the trade happen.
I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think that's the direction they are wanting to go. They want shooters.
I think if we took on knight and didn't give back bad contracts like Asik, absorbed some salary if we could, they might be more open to doing something with just us. They can't get rid of knight.
Bledsoe and Knight for Moore/Frazier/Ajinca(he might actually have some value and not be a complete negative) and 2018 first.
Not sure if we could do that salary wise, and I'm sure it would mean we would be operating under the cap so the rest of the lineup would be minimum guys.
Bledsoe/knight
Jrue/Crawford
Hill/DC
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Asik
Rest of the lineup would be minimum guys, maybe we get to keep Quinn and Toupane if they aremt waived to make the trade happen.
I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think that's the direction they are wanting to go. They want shooters.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Not sure if we could do that salary wise
No, I just threw it in the trade machine and added Pondexter to your list. The Pels would still need to send out $8 million more, so Asik would have to be included.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 4:57 pm to Silverfoxx
Why must everyone include the Pelicans 1st round draft pick in their trade scenarios
Posted on 4/18/17 at 5:03 pm to biggdogg
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Why must everyone include the Pelicans 1st round draft pick in their trade scenarios
Since we so obviously hate having 1st rd picks it's not a bad guess.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 5:11 pm to biggdogg
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Why must everyone include the Pelicans 1st round draft pick in their trade scenarios
The Pelicans are in Win Now mode, not Dell Demps/Tom Benson is in Win Now mode, the Pelicans. Cousins is an Unrestricted Free Agent next summer and you can offer AD the new Designated Veteran Extension then too. So the Pels are on a one year clock with their 2 SuperStars. Trading for a capable starter will help this team keep AD/DC way more than keeping the 2018 1st round pick which won't play a single minute in 2017. I know people are tired of not having draft picks, but we are finally at a point in the roster build where it makes sense to use them for Young Veterans.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 5:27 pm to TigerinATL
Funny how Minny was willing to give Rubio to NYK for DRose, but now it's going to take assets...
Posted on 4/18/17 at 5:38 pm to TigerinATL
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No, I just threw it in the trade machine and added Pondexter to your list. The Pels would still need to send out $8 million more, so Asik would have to be included.
But I'm talking about the off-season. Trade machine is for now. If we have cap space in the offseason, we can make uneven trades, as long as we don't go over the cap, right? Even if we only have say $5M in space, that's where you could stretch Asik to make the extra room to make a trade like that if necessary. But that means you operate under the cap and after the trade you are pretty much done with your lineup outside of minimum contracts, except for the TPE and 2nd round pick that might be able to turn into something.
Posted on 4/18/17 at 6:02 pm to TigerinATL
CP3 or bust
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:48 am to Silverfoxx
Frick it roll the dice go for the portland guard mc colloughn... Thats 15-20 plus wins easily
Posted on 4/19/17 at 12:54 pm to BlackTiger89
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Frick it roll the dice go for the portland guard mc colloughn... Thats 15-20 plus wins easily
Lol totally.
All those trades are shite too.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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But I'm talking about the off-season. Trade machine is for now. If we have cap space in the offseason, we can make uneven trades, as long as we don't go over the cap, right? Even if we only have say $5M in space, that's where you could stretch Asik to make the extra room to make a trade like that if necessary. But that means you operate under the cap and after the trade you are pretty much done with your lineup outside of minimum contracts, except for the TPE and 2nd round pick that might be able to turn into something.
With Jrue's cap hold we are over the cap already and don't have the space to make that trade. We would need to send out additional salary.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:30 pm to NOFOX
with Jrue's cap hold we are around $108M.
Stretch Asik and we are at $101M.
unload QPon somehow and we are at $98M.
Waive Cook and Toupane and we are at $95M.
That's $7M in cap space, and if DC opts out like most expect him to, then we are at $10M in cap space.
Send out Moore/Frazier/Ajinca and that's $15M outgoing, taking back Bledsoe and Knight would be $28M, so we are still $3M short.
We can create cap space if we need to, even if we keep Jrue. The problem is you do that and you gut your team and don't give yourself the opportunity to get anyone else other than minimums.
If you want to try to get another good starter like a Bledsoe or Fournier or Batum this year, and wait until next year to get your role players with the MLE and all, it can be done, but it likely means you have literally no bench this coming year.
Stretch Asik and we are at $101M.
unload QPon somehow and we are at $98M.
Waive Cook and Toupane and we are at $95M.
That's $7M in cap space, and if DC opts out like most expect him to, then we are at $10M in cap space.
Send out Moore/Frazier/Ajinca and that's $15M outgoing, taking back Bledsoe and Knight would be $28M, so we are still $3M short.
We can create cap space if we need to, even if we keep Jrue. The problem is you do that and you gut your team and don't give yourself the opportunity to get anyone else other than minimums.
If you want to try to get another good starter like a Bledsoe or Fournier or Batum this year, and wait until next year to get your role players with the MLE and all, it can be done, but it likely means you have literally no bench this coming year.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If you want to try to get another good starter like a Bledsoe or Fournier or Batum this year, and wait until next year to get your role players with the MLE and all, it can be done, but it likely means you have literally no bench this coming year.
If we can resign Jruem, then my preference is instead of gutting the roster and spending assets trying to dump salary to get under the cap, just use the 2018 1st to turn Moore into a more productive guard who can create his own shot. Stay above the cap and use the MLE, BAE to add depth.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If you want to try to get another good starter like a Bledsoe or Fournier or Batum this year, and wait until next year to get your role players with the MLE and all, it can be done, but it likely means you have literally no bench this coming year.
You can trade Moore+Pondexter+pick for Fournier and stay above the cap, thus keeping the ability to use the MLE.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 1:58 pm to NOFOX
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just use the 2018 1st to turn Moore into a more productive guard who can create his own shot
I would agree, but who, and who else are you going to have to throw in there? Toupane and Cook are $3M and they can be cut by the other team without having to pay them all that money. They are only guaranteed like $20k each. QPon could likely be moved easily, so there's another $3M. So between Moore/Qpon/Toupane/Cook, that's about $15M. Ajinca can probably be moved too, extra $5M, but to be quite honest, I don't mind keeping Ajinca. Frazier is another $2M.
$15M gets you Fournier/Bazemore/Crabbe/Middleton/Dragic/Matthews/Haris to name a few.
I also think if Boston gets their raping from the Bulls, and they don't get Hayward or Butler in the offseason, they might be interested in moving guys like Bradley/Smart/Crowder, who all make in the $5-8M range. They may take Moore and 2018 1st for one of them, see it as gaining a pick and not losing that much with the player.
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