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Ajinca and rebounding
Posted on 3/2/15 at 7:43 am
Posted on 3/2/15 at 7:43 am
This is one thing that has puzzled me since last year about Ajinca's game. The stats say he is a very good rebounder, 12 per 36 and 18.9% TRB%. Not as good as Asik's 13.7 and 21.6%, but still very good individual rebounding stats. He's also a big guy that takes up a lot of space with his long arms, yet it isn't uncommon to see things like this happen on his watch:
This is just an all too common occurence that the other team starts getting offensive rebounds with Ajinca in that they weren't getting with Asik. Is it just the difference between Very Good Rebounder and Top 5 Rebounder, or is something else going on?
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The Bird WWWWWrites @thebirdwrites 11 hours ago
Oh and yeah, in Asik's 23 minutes, the Nuggets have not gotten a single OREB. Let's see what happens now that he just sat down.
David Fisher @usnfish 11 hours ago
Too bad Asik can't play all 48 tonight... 11 Nugget ORebs with him on the bench.
This is just an all too common occurence that the other team starts getting offensive rebounds with Ajinca in that they weren't getting with Asik. Is it just the difference between Very Good Rebounder and Top 5 Rebounder, or is something else going on?
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Posted on 3/2/15 at 7:55 am to TigerinATL
asik is an elite, top of the league defensive rebounder...that's his skill set and why he gets paid
I don't understand why he doesn't get more appreciation for that. ajinca obviously isn't as good. I don't think it goes any deeper than that
I don't understand why he doesn't get more appreciation for that. ajinca obviously isn't as good. I don't think it goes any deeper than that
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:01 am to cgrand
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asik is an elite, top of the league defensive rebounder...that's his skill set and why he gets paid
I don't understand why he doesn't get more appreciation for that. ajinca obviously isn't as good. I don't think it goes any deeper than that
Makes sense to me.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:05 am to TigerinATL
Asik may not get every rebound, but he knows how to at least box out to prevent them from being able to get the easy rebounds so someone like Tyreke, QPon, and Cunningham can grab it.
Ajinca got destroyed last night and didn't even box out half the ORBs. That almost costed us the game, even if he put up decent numbers.
Ajinca got destroyed last night and didn't even box out half the ORBs. That almost costed us the game, even if he put up decent numbers.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:07 am to htran90
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Asik may not get every rebound, but he knows how to at least box out to prevent them from being able to get the easy rebounds so someone like Tyreke, QPon, and Cunningham can grab it.
this. Even when Asik doesn't get a rebound its almost always a scrum for the loose ball. You never see guys getting easy put backs against Asik.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 8:53 am to cgrand
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asik is an elite, top of the league defensive rebounder...that's his skill set and why he gets paid
I don't understand why he doesn't get more appreciation for that. ajinca obviously isn't as good. I don't think it goes any deeper than that
That's about it. Good thread, everyone.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 9:00 am to Suntiger
No doubt that Asik is an elite rebounder, but last night was an anomaly because of the quality of shots that the Nuggets took. Some of those shots were so awful that if you weren't looking at the release, it was hard to read rebound trajectory. Also has to do with the fact that Ajinca doesn't crash the boards and relies on his size to out jump smaller players. Kenneth Faried and JJ Hickson were crashing like bats out of hell.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
Cgrand nailed it.
Would be curious to see someone break down how he gets his rebounds.
Teams pull down OREB at a rate lower than, but comparable to, what happens when Anderson is on the floor. On/Off just won't tell much because of his low minutes, minutes with, until recently, a shitty 2nd unit, and the fact that he usually replaces a beast rebounder in Asik.
Would be curious to see someone break down how he gets his rebounds.
Teams pull down OREB at a rate lower than, but comparable to, what happens when Anderson is on the floor. On/Off just won't tell much because of his low minutes, minutes with, until recently, a shitty 2nd unit, and the fact that he usually replaces a beast rebounder in Asik.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
From what I've seen, he is good at securing the rebounds in his area because of his ridiculous length, but he seldom boxes out properly and gets beat underneath by quicker guys. My guess is that he knows he can outreach anyone so he doesn't bother boxing out. He can be an effective individual rebounder despite poor habits because of his height/length, but can end up hurting the team rebounding by failing to keep the other team off the offensive glass.
FWIW numbers only show a small drop (-1.4%) in defensive rebounding with Ajinca ON the court,though it is offset with an uptick in offensive rebounding (+4.2%).
FWIW numbers only show a small drop (-1.4%) in defensive rebounding with Ajinca ON the court,though it is offset with an uptick in offensive rebounding (+4.2%).
Posted on 3/2/15 at 9:35 am to LSUhornet17
The boxing out argument does fit what we've seen. Robin Lopez was a terrible individual rebounder but the team actually wasn't bad with him on the court because he boxed out well enough that Vasquez and Aminu got to pick up the slack.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 10:34 am to TigerinATL
If you end up watching the games, Asik fights for a good portion of rebounds that falls into other Pelicans hands
Its something that won't show up on a stat sheet similar to AD's "altered shots"
Asik may not be leading the league in rebounds but he fights for a majority of them leading to him either getting the rebound or him tapping it out to another pelican
Its something that won't show up on a stat sheet similar to AD's "altered shots"
Asik may not be leading the league in rebounds but he fights for a majority of them leading to him either getting the rebound or him tapping it out to another pelican
Posted on 3/2/15 at 11:12 am to DeionDeion
that's a good point
asik was the best player on the court last night for either team but you definitely had to watch the game to know that
asik was the best player on the court last night for either team but you definitely had to watch the game to know that
Posted on 3/2/15 at 11:15 am to cgrand
Why did Asik only play 25 minutes?
Posted on 3/2/15 at 11:25 am to DeionDeion
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Asik may not be leading the league in rebounds but he fights for a majority of them leading to him either getting the rebound or him tapping it out to another pelican
I definitely agree with this statement right here, but it sums up why I dont think Asik is worth the money he's getting paid. Rebounding and a decent motor are the attributes of a backup Center.
When a 7 footer misses point blank layups, botches simple hook shots over smaller defenders, freezes up with the ball in his hands (which are made of exposed peagravel concrete), and looks like a pitching machine shooting free throws, then he falls into the category of a situational player that should be coming off the bench.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 11:40 am to chatchit42
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When a 7 footer misses point blank layups,
He's made that reverse layup work for him pretty well recently.
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botches simple hook shots over smaller defenders
They should never, ever intentionally post him up. The first play of the game last night they tried to do that, and even over a smaller defender we all knew exactly what was going to happen. Let him clean up, pass from the elbow and be a safety valve AT the rim.
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situational player that should be coming off the bench.
I'm interested to see how well his recent offensive efficiency can be maintained. The reverse layup looks like a solid weapon for him and since the All Star break he's seemed more mobile (we had been speculating for a while if he had a lingering injury).
Pre All Star Break he was shooting 50.4%. Post All Star Break he's shooting 67.6%. I expect that to come down, but if he can keep it above 55% I think many of the complaints about his offense will have been addressed. He still won't be good, but his offense will be good enough to justify his presence on the court and make him more than a situational player.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 11:57 am to TigerinATL
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He's made that reverse layup work for him pretty well recently.
Honestly, a reverse layup shouldnt be a go-to move for a big man, and I've seen he tries it way too often. I know you had to have seen the play last night where he was wide open, one foot from the square on the backboard and he bricked it off the glass.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:06 pm to chatchit42
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a reverse layup shouldnt be a go-to move for a big man
If it works it works. You don't get style points.
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I know you had to have seen the play last night where he was wide open, one foot from the square on the backboard and he bricked it off the glass.
You guys have been doing this all year, over emphasizing the bad because it is UGLY. That's just one miss. Focus on the end results, not the ugly fails. In the last 6 games he's shooting 67%. Rounding up he's making 4 out of 6 shots. I'll take 4 makes and 2 misses, even if both misses were the failed dunk attempt from a few games ago where I'm not sure he even got the rim. He's obviously not going to stay that efficient, but you are completely dismissing what he's doing right now because you don't like how it's getting done.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
exactly
when he misses he looks like a spastic
it makes it seem worse than it is
our guards have done a better job of not feeding in the post, especially with those "pocket passes" that look so nice going in to davis/etc, but are a guaranteed turnover when they go to asik.
let the man clean the glass, and cut to the basket for dunks, and he more than holds his own
when he misses he looks like a spastic
it makes it seem worse than it is
our guards have done a better job of not feeding in the post, especially with those "pocket passes" that look so nice going in to davis/etc, but are a guaranteed turnover when they go to asik.
let the man clean the glass, and cut to the basket for dunks, and he more than holds his own
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:32 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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Why did Asik only play 25 minutes?
Prob watching minutes last night in the 1st game of a back to back.
Posted on 3/2/15 at 12:41 pm to TigerinATL
asik since the allstar break:
Michael McNamara ?@McNamara247 3h3 hours ago
Asik post AS break: 10.2 pts 10.5 rebs 68% FG 132 ORtg 99 DRtg Basically, has been a better version of Andre Drummond on a per min basis
Michael McNamara ?@McNamara247 3h3 hours ago
Asik post AS break: 10.2 pts 10.5 rebs 68% FG 132 ORtg 99 DRtg Basically, has been a better version of Andre Drummond on a per min basis
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