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The Band - The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down

Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Mulat
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:20 pm to
You're Canadian?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:25 pm to
I'm just about 40 years late to the discussion. Why did they "retire" in 1976? Did Robertson and Helm hate each other? Drugs?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:44 pm to
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The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down
I'm triggered you white nationalist POS

BTW here is priceless footage of 19 year old Levon Helm with the Hawks in 1959:

Ronnie Hawkins - "Forty Days"
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:02 pm to
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I'm just about 40 years late to the discussion. Why did they "retire" in 1976? Did Robertson and Helm hate each other? Drugs?
The Last Waltz was RR's idea. The others were willing to simply put The Band on hiatus for awhile but RR insisted it be a supercolossal This-Is-It Hollywood Grand Finale.

Helm only wanted two special guests: Ronnie Hawkins and Bob Dylan. RR however insisted on including everybody and his brother, even someone like Neil Diamond who had nothing to do with The Band.

Al this was done to get the maximum of publicity for the concert film. RR had been doing coke with Martin Scorcese, who convinced him he could be a movie star. The Last Waltz was essentially RR's glorified screen test -- that's why he's on camera so much, and shown singing even though his mike was disconnected.

The story goes that Helm and Ronnie Hawkins first saw a pre-release screening of TLW on the Warners lot. After the screening the lights came on but Helm just sat in his chair, speechless. But the inimitable Hawkins just laughed it off, telling Helm something like, "You have to admit Levon, Robbie never sounded better!"

Posted by Socrates Johnson
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:05 pm to
When they were worried about how long the show was and they had too many guests, Levon told the stage manager to " tell Robertson to tell Neil Diamond we don't even know who the frick he is."

My favorite Levon story, and I love Neil Diamond.
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:27 am to
I just saw Levon playing a role in a Markie Mark movie, Shooter or something like that.

Catch that doc about Levon. Ain't In it For My Health. Great program.
Posted by Mulat
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 4:50 am to
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I'm triggered you white nationalist POS


Boy you got me for sure
Posted by thejudge
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 11:24 am to
Isn't that thr group jason isbell wrote danko manuel about?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Why did they "retire" in 1976?


They weren't getting along - not just Helm and Robertson.

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Did Robertson and Helm hate each other?


Helm hated Robertson - a lot - and for a shite ton of good reasons.

quote:

Drugs?


They were rock stars in the '60s and '70s. Neil Young has visible grains of cocaine in his nose during The Last Waltz. Marty was providing that shite like it was candy or part of the caterer service.

What do you think?
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted by PublixSubs
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:45 pm to
If you want a good, quick read on Levon, The Band, pick up his biography This Wheels On Fire

It's obviously his side of the story, but anyone that knows even just a little about The Band is already on Levon's team.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:46 pm to
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Al this was done to get the maximum of publicity for the concert film. RR had been doing coke with Martin Scorcese, who convinced him he could be a movie star. The Last Waltz was essentially RR's glorified screen test -- that's why he's on camera so much, and shown singing even though his mike was disconnected.


I'm not sure it was disconnected, but the live takes of the vocals for the fellas were pretty bad, except for Levon. They had to re-record most of them in post-production. Some of the instrument tracks, too.

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But the inimitable Hawkins just laughed it off, telling Helm something like, "You have to admit Levon, Robbie never sounded better!"


Some version of this is almost certainly true.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:49 pm to
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Isn't that thr group jason isbell wrote danko manuel about?




Yes Richard Manuel,piano, vocals, hung himself in a Hotel Room in 1986 after a show

Rick Danko, bass, vocals, died of substance abuse complications in 1999


ETA: If you enjoy Isbell dig into The Band. Isbell almost certainly doesn't exist without The Band's influence.
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by PublixSubs
Maine
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
Even though it's always in the discussions of best rock documentary, once you know the back story of The Last Waltz, you begin to realize it's really not that good. Here's a fun article on the show - LINK

I'm going to be up around Woodstock in a few, I hope to head over to West Saugerties and drive passed the Big Pink house.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:00 pm to
Before hooking up with Bob Dylan - the precursor bands centered around Ronnie Hawkins, Levon Helm or both - and try to wrap your mind around this what if:

In early 1960, Scott Cushie was still playing the piano when they added Winnsboro's own Fred Carter, Jr. on guitar and Canadian Robbie Robertson on bass. Carter didn't last and Ronnie brought in his cousin Dale's guitar player to take over, temporarily and tutor Robertson on the guitar, which he did and then returned to the United States.

That guitar player was Roy Buchanan.

(What if he had decided to stay as guitar player and left Robertson on bass where he belonged?)
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:38 pm to
... likely RR would have still penned everything in his name. Just one side, but in the flick 'Ain't In it For My Health.'
quote:

thanks to Twenty 49, for the name
Levon really goes off on how Robertson didn't know noth'n, how they taught him about music down here and the south, and then he put his name on what everyone was a part of.... Would be cool to know the whole tale. ETA: and his hatred for the suits (music exec's - the music industry)
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:43 pm to
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but in the flick 'Ain't In it For My Health.'


Watched it. I've been #TeamLevon since The Right Stuff, baw.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:50 pm to


Pretty secure type, he took the money, and said I've had enough... Like another of my hero's, John Hartford who after making a bushel full, decided he rather just keep playing music his way.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 7:37 pm to
Robbie was making all the money. He got a share of the performer's cut, plus he got songwriting royalties.
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:46 am to
RR is a flaming a-hole.
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