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are guitars ruined in the flood

Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:21 am
Posted by LSUvegasbombed
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2013
15464 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:21 am
I told my uncle I will bring his electric guitar that he cherishes to this Luther I know. Luthers are able to fix guitars that were in the flood right? I am thinking all electrical will be replaced and even the neck if its warped, but at least the body should be in good shape.

Or are guitars just a total loss?
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:34 am to
*luthier

How long was it underwater and what type of guitar is it? Certainly the pickups, pots and switch(es) will need to be replaced. If the wood is finished, it may be okay. If the fretboard is unfinished it might have swelled up but that may be repairable depending on the extent of the damage. Depending on what the guitar is worth, it could be cheaper to simply replace it.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1238 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:29 pm to
From my very close friend Jay Kolanda at NTL Guitars in Nashville. Jay is a former Gibson Custom Shop master builder who was heavily involved in instrument restoration efforts for Gibson endorsers and pro players following the devastating 2010 floods in Nashville. I reached out to Jay when our floods hit.

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Much like in the case of a home or a vehicle, water damage is potentially devastating to a guitar or bass, acoustic or electric. Successful repair or restoration on flood-damaged guitars and basses comes with a "fingers crossed" disclaimer, so don't expect miracles. Your first step is the sterilization and hopefully the stabilization of the instrument and to get it to your repair tech or luthier as soon as possible.

HAVE A CAMERA ON HAND AND TAKE PLENTY OF PHOTOS FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES!!

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* Remove guitar from case. The case will more than likely be non-salvageable.

* Remove strings and remove all hardware.

* Soak hardware in denatured alcohol.

* Cut pickup leads/wires with wire cutters at the point where they attach to internal electronic components. Pickups can possibly be rewound. Electronic components and harness wiring, however, will very likely be non-salvageable so wires can be cut to remove the components.

* Take the guitar outside to a garden hose and remove all debris, dirt, residues, etc.

* Dry the instrument outside in a shaded, preferably cooler, area for the day. Move inside at night, with a fan and ventilation and not a lot of air conditioning. You want to dehydrate the guitar at a slow to medium pace.

* When the guitar has dried adequately, thoroughly clean the entire guitar, fingerboard, control cavities, etc. with naptha, sometimes called "VM&P" solvent in home improvement stores. Pour the naptha on absorbent cotton rags (old T-shirts) to apply and gently wipe clean. Repeat.

* Let the instrument sit indoors with a fan, ventilation and not a lot of A/C for a couple more days to continue drying out.

This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:45 pm to
DON'T THROW IT OUT!

Red Stick Guitar and Amp can repair flood damaged instruments!
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 7:17 pm to
From a article I read about the restoration of the guitars from the Nashville flood, after they were done the only loss was a pickup on one guitar all the rest were saved, as stated in what up posted the guitars that they lest dry slowly responded better than the first few where they tried to speed up the drying process.

I restored some amplifiers that were submerged during Katrina, and have salvaged a lot a electronics equipment over the years. Basically fresh water does little harm to most electronics, it is the dirt suspended in the water that gets deposited into connecting pins and inside of controls that causes problems. Using clean water to flush them out followed by a water displacing spray like LPS will usually restore pots and switches to working condition.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 10:36 am to
quote:

* Remove guitar from case. The case will more than likely be non-salvageable.

* Remove strings and remove all hardware.

* Soak hardware in denatured alcohol.

* Cut pickup leads/wires with wire cutters at the point where they attach to internal electronic components. Pickups can possibly be rewound. Electronic components and harness wiring, however, will very likely be non-salvageable so wires can be cut to remove the components.

* Take the guitar outside to a garden hose and remove all debris, dirt, residues, etc.

* Dry the instrument outside in a shaded, preferably cooler, area for the day. Move inside at night, with a fan and ventilation and not a lot of air conditioning. You want to dehydrate the guitar at a slow to medium pace.

* When the guitar has dried adequately, thoroughly clean the entire guitar, fingerboard, control cavities, etc. with naptha, sometimes called "VM&P" solvent in home improvement stores. Pour the naptha on absorbent cotton rags (old T-shirts) to apply and gently wipe clean. Repeat.

* Let the instrument sit indoors with a fan, ventilation and not a lot of A/C for a couple more days to continue drying out.



Great advice.

I collect guitars and had to deal with a few guitars that were victims in my flooded house due to Katrina.
Brought 4 to a luthier to see if they could be saved. Long story short, saved 3 out of the 4 but they were not 100% and certainly not like they were prior to taking a bath.
My Epi Casino (US made) made it out the best. A Gretsch solid body and Hamer solid body (US made) fared the worse of the 3 ...fretboard replaced and serious checking. The electronics made it out OK.

A 1970 Yamaha acoustic was DOA. Learned that the early Japanese guitars used water soluble glue. The thing fell apart and warped so badly it wasn't able to be saved.

Like another poster said: It's a "cross your fingers" proposition.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 10:50 am
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5308 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 11:03 am to
I read this as "air guitars ruined in the flood" and I thought it was going to be a hilarious spoof thread.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26989 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 11:48 am to
My understanding is that an acoustic is fricked.

Is that not the case ?

I am not talking damp. I mean the thing was floating. Or you opened the case and a mud minnow came out. Glue joints, warping, interior unfinished wood grain, fret board, neck, truss rod? Can't imagine a scenario where a standard acoustic makes it out as more than parts. Unless you are talking some priceless vintage guitar. And even then?

Hope you guys got pictures and insurance. Try to enjoy shopping for a new one. (ETA that's not sarcasm. Try to enjoy it. Least it's something possibly fun).
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 11:49 am
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
19133 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:17 pm to
There were a ton of guitars that were total losses due to the flood in Nashville in 2010.


Some were salvaged like this strat.



along with some shots of some Gibsons, mid restoration





These were some of Keith Urban's guitars hung out to dry in an attempt to salvage.



As mentioned in other responses...a lot depends on how long it was under water and how quickly it was dried.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

Can't imagine a scenario where a standard acoustic makes it out as more than parts.


Pretty much.

The main areas where there is almost a zero chance of survival is:
1. The guitar sat in water for hours and/or
2. It went under water and you don't take it out of the case right way (leaving in the case will almost always guarantee a non restorable instrument).

If it's salt water, that's a whole other story.

If the guitar is worth more than $2.000.00 (odds are good it will lose half its value after the repair) or has sentimental value, restoration is an avenue to look at. I paid right at $500.00 each to get my guitars fixed.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 12:58 pm to
That second to last photo looks like an ES335; I'd guess that thing sat in a wet case for a long time before someone decided to look at it.

What you're seeing is the black mold going through the soundboard and under the finish.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:01 pm
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