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Amy Winehouse Documentary
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 5:19 pm
I watched this two nights ago. Despite knowing the ending, I enjoyed it quite a bit. A few things stood out for me:
1. I didn't think it was possible for there to be a parent in real life who was as bad as Wee Bay's wife in The Wire. Focking Mitch Winehouse passes Delonda Brice in that category in third gear.
2. That being said, I don't think Amy's demise can be blamed on the people around her (e.g. Blake) or the rapid acquisition of fame and money (and the consequences that often flow therefrom). She had demons that weren't taking no for an answer.
3. Goddamn that girl could sing. I'm not a huge jazz guy, but I'll listen to that girl sing it. She had a voice that makes you feel things. The could be a better way of phrasing that, but I think it works well enough.
Anyone else seen it? Care to opine?
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1. I didn't think it was possible for there to be a parent in real life who was as bad as Wee Bay's wife in The Wire. Focking Mitch Winehouse passes Delonda Brice in that category in third gear.
2. That being said, I don't think Amy's demise can be blamed on the people around her (e.g. Blake) or the rapid acquisition of fame and money (and the consequences that often flow therefrom). She had demons that weren't taking no for an answer.
3. Goddamn that girl could sing. I'm not a huge jazz guy, but I'll listen to that girl sing it. She had a voice that makes you feel things. The could be a better way of phrasing that, but I think it works well enough.
Anyone else seen it? Care to opine?
Trailer
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:55 pm to SystemsGo
Ooooooooh.... Thanks for reminding me of this. DEFINITELY gonna watch.
I thought her descent was troubling, sad...and its outcome inevitable. Enjoyed every bit of her music as it came out because I knew what I was listening to would be a finite quantity.
I thought her descent was troubling, sad...and its outcome inevitable. Enjoyed every bit of her music as it came out because I knew what I was listening to would be a finite quantity.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 7:47 pm to SystemsGo
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Goddamn that girl could sing.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 7:49 pm to SystemsGo
It's an amazing doc.
I too came away with this exact feeling you had. I was astounded by the number of people close to her who watched her disintegrate so publicly, but to see her own father use her for selfishly and thoughtlessly for his own benefit as she crumbled was horrific and hard for me to comprehend.
However, I disagree with this.
It's impossible to know what would have happened without the sudden fame and celebrity, but I find it equally impossible to not think that her discomfort with many aspects of that brought some of those 'demons' to the forefront or at the least greatly increased their influence. When I watched the film it did not appear to me that her issues were nearly as pronounced before she rode the fame rocket. I cannot imagine what that experience must be like. I found myself actually feeling physically shocked by the when they would show her being hounded by paparazzi and all the camera flashes would go off. It was like she was being shot at in a war zone, and her expression showed it.
I found the most poignant scene to be the one where she was onstage I assume in London and she stops the show to watch the Grammy presentation. The look of awe on her face, first as she watched one of her idols presening the award and then the stunned expression of disbelief when her name was announced as the winner.. I watched it on DVD and I just kept going over that part again and again. I really appeared to me that she honestly thought she had no chance of winning, and makes me wonder if she really knew how talented she was compared to most of the other nominees. I suspect one of those demons you mention was a lack of self esteem or confidence that alcohol helped mask.
I have to admit I was never much of a fan of her musically. The timbre of her voice is just not pleasing to my ear. But I really had no idea she was such a strong songwriter and lyricist. I was left with a much greater respect for her talent and a profound sadness for it's loss.
I too came away with this exact feeling you had. I was astounded by the number of people close to her who watched her disintegrate so publicly, but to see her own father use her for selfishly and thoughtlessly for his own benefit as she crumbled was horrific and hard for me to comprehend.
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I didn't think it was possible for there to be a parent in real life who was as bad as Wee Bay's wife in The Wire. Focking Mitch Winehouse passes Delonda Brice in that category in third gear.
However, I disagree with this.
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That being said, I don't think Amy's demise can be blamed on the people around her (e.g. Blake) or the rapid acquisition of fame and money (and the consequences that often flow therefrom). She had demons that weren't taking no for an answer.
It's impossible to know what would have happened without the sudden fame and celebrity, but I find it equally impossible to not think that her discomfort with many aspects of that brought some of those 'demons' to the forefront or at the least greatly increased their influence. When I watched the film it did not appear to me that her issues were nearly as pronounced before she rode the fame rocket. I cannot imagine what that experience must be like. I found myself actually feeling physically shocked by the when they would show her being hounded by paparazzi and all the camera flashes would go off. It was like she was being shot at in a war zone, and her expression showed it.
I found the most poignant scene to be the one where she was onstage I assume in London and she stops the show to watch the Grammy presentation. The look of awe on her face, first as she watched one of her idols presening the award and then the stunned expression of disbelief when her name was announced as the winner.. I watched it on DVD and I just kept going over that part again and again. I really appeared to me that she honestly thought she had no chance of winning, and makes me wonder if she really knew how talented she was compared to most of the other nominees. I suspect one of those demons you mention was a lack of self esteem or confidence that alcohol helped mask.
I have to admit I was never much of a fan of her musically. The timbre of her voice is just not pleasing to my ear. But I really had no idea she was such a strong songwriter and lyricist. I was left with a much greater respect for her talent and a profound sadness for it's loss.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:50 pm to Sayre
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t's impossible to know what would have happened without the sudden fame and celebrity, but I find it equally impossible to not think that her discomfort with many aspects of that brought some of those 'demons' to the forefront or at the least greatly increased their influence. When I watched the film it did not appear to me that her issues were nearly as pronounced before she rode the fame rocket. I cannot imagine what that experience must be like. I found myself actually feeling physically shocked by the when they would show her being hounded by paparazzi and all the camera flashes would go off. It was like she was being shot at.
I agree with this. I think that the rapid onset of fame and money essentially fed her demons and she quickly -- I mean, really quickly -- spiraled past a point of no return. It accelerated her demise without question.
But what struck me was how much of a complete trainwreck she was even before she was famous. Hell, putting aside the fact that she was bulemic -- again, seriously great parenting Mr. and Mrs. Winehouse -- the girl was starting her days off with bottles of liquor in her late teens and early 20s when she was barely even regionally famous. I mean, it's impossible to say what might have come to be. Perhaps if she hadn't gone so far and so fast down the road she did then a 70 day trip to a treatment facility might have turned her life around for the better. But I think it's more likely that, in the absence of her fame, she would have just drank herself to death (slowly) rather than (quickly) killing herself with crack and heroin.
But at least in the proposed alternative she makes more music. And that last sentence may come across selfish or heartless, but I don't mean it that way. Girl had a freaking gift. Better off shared than cut short, right?
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:20 pm to SystemsGo
I sure wish the outcome had been different for her. I did some stupid shite myself when I was the age she died, and even without having to deal with living in a spotlight it almost got the better of me before I had enough maturity to see the error of my ways. I can't imagine being an addict plus having an eating disorder in that insane environment must have been like.
But then a lot of great art comes from tortured souls who drown their sorrows and pay the price for it. As you say, I don't want to sound selfish or heartless but when I've been at some of my lowest points, listening to others express their troubles through their music has helped me deal with my own messes.
But then a lot of great art comes from tortured souls who drown their sorrows and pay the price for it. As you say, I don't want to sound selfish or heartless but when I've been at some of my lowest points, listening to others express their troubles through their music has helped me deal with my own messes.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:30 am to Sayre
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But then a lot of great art comes from tortured souls who drown their sorrows and pay the price for it. As you say, I don't want to sound selfish or heartless but when I've been at some of my lowest points, listening to others express their troubles through their music has helped me deal with my own messes.
I think that *most* great art comes from a place of angst or heartbreak (and of course some does come from in-the-moment love...but I think more comes from its loss*). The tortured soul goes on an emotional journey and the self-medications often comes along for the ride. Until it kicks your arse and boots you out of the driver's seat so it can get behind the wheel. It's that last part that we'd like to prevent from happening. Amy was barely able to put up a fight, it appeared.*
*Probably not a perfect analogy. I tried.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 3:32 am
Posted on 12/30/15 at 6:02 am to SystemsGo
Impossible situation for a person. You can't hit "rock-bottom" when your rich as hell and everyone is kissing your arse in your 20's. The girl had a team of people propping her up and telling her she was golden. 
I've not seen this doc, but saw clips of one of her last performances. How people let her onstage is amazing to me.
You have to lose a LOT for rehab to work. Otherwise you can chalk things up to the joke, "sorry for partying."
Had she lived another 5 years maybe she loses her voice (she would have) and starts pissing through her money and "friends". Then she may have got help. But cash cows don't go to rehab. They have yes men or yes people who get them onstage. Think Elvis and Michael Jackson. Anyone who questions would be fired.
I've not seen this doc, but saw clips of one of her last performances. How people let her onstage is amazing to me. You have to lose a LOT for rehab to work. Otherwise you can chalk things up to the joke, "sorry for partying."
Had she lived another 5 years maybe she loses her voice (she would have) and starts pissing through her money and "friends". Then she may have got help. But cash cows don't go to rehab. They have yes men or yes people who get them onstage. Think Elvis and Michael Jackson. Anyone who questions would be fired.
Posted on 1/3/16 at 10:54 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Had she lived another 5 years maybe she loses her voice (she would have)
Why's that?
Posted on 1/3/16 at 11:28 pm to SystemsGo
Back to Black was the Bomb.
Her demise was pretty quick. Sad. But no one to blame buy her.
Her demise was pretty quick. Sad. But no one to blame buy her.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:53 pm to LSUTANGERINE
My wife pestered me into watching this movie and I'm glad she did. It was extremely well made, and profoundly sad. I walked away with a much greater appreciation of not only her voice, but also of her songwriting abilities. Lots of dark shite sung with a beautiful voice.
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:50 pm to SystemsGo
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Why's that?
Cigarettes and copious amounts of alcohol.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:35 am to LSU alum wannabe
The filmmakers behind this next project should be fun. LINK
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