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Zero Dark Thirty still holds up... Extremely well

Posted on 2/14/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 6:45 pm
I'd go so far as to say it's on the level with Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy as the best espionage/spy films I've seen. It's also pretty obvious in retrospect that it should have won a slew of Oscars, but of course how can we all forget the time honored gigantic got classic.... The Artist!

It obviously has a completely different vibe than just about any other "spy" movie (much more of a doc feel). Also throw in a decent protrayal of how Navy Seals actually act, and I'm stopping on the film basically every time it's on.

There's just not a down spot or lull in the movie. I had such high hopes for Bigelow after Hurt Locker and ZERO dark Thrifty back to back, but she really never had a solid follow up to those films. It's been 10 years and I don't know of anything she's done besides that Detroit film that bombed.
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Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
14649 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 6:55 pm to
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Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy


I've never gotten around to seeing this, guess I'll add it to the Plex server
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 6:56 pm to
Friend,

Is it surprising that when you mentioned The Artist, I had to look it up on IMDB because I did not remember it? And then I saw the year it came out and realized that was the year I devoted to film criticism. Thanks to the wonderful search feature on TD, I was able to retrieve that review:

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Several weeks ago Hugo did not initially impress me. But impressions change, and I not long ago had a tete-a-tete within the cozy confines of my own mind. The mind of a genius is an amazing thing: able to entertain itself when needed; able to bowdlerize in order to grow a more encompassing, generous opinion of the world. What brought the change of heart? Oddly enough, a reading of a little know piece by von Goethe entitled Clavigo. It's a marvelous work, which coincidentally introduced me to Caron de Beau Marchais, the watchmaker and tutor to Louis XV's children. As a result, through the marvels of Google scholar, I began reading some of his works and thought, and in it, I found this gem: "It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them."

Was he speaking to The Arts Board specifically or to the masses of critics who have flocked to The Artist calling it this year's best? Don't get me wrong: The Artist is a good movie. It's creative, well written, well acted, and has a positive message. But best of the year when you have others like The Tree of Life, Sarah's Key, and Midnight in Paris? I like a perfectly fried shrimp at Harbor Seafood, but by no means am I going to claim it's the best meal in New Orleans.

Who could be leading such a campaign? Perhaps it the people who see through the wafer-thin existential snoozefest, The Descendants, a movie that tries to be much smarter than it really is. About Schmidt was Alexander Payne's best film, but Payne is anything but the deep philosopher that he so effortfully tries to be. Perhaps it is the old guard of Hollywood, a little upset that other films set in the golden age of film, whatever that means, a film like Hugo, received little fanfare. So now these geriatrics truckle at the feet of a foreign attempt to pay homage to them.

The Artist works on all levels it attempts to reach. It shows a zero sum game of fame. We see how pride destroys. We feel heartache and empathy. We may even have a moment of aletheia when we see a love that is unearned and undeserved. But the artists behind this film aren't very interested in reaching very far. This is the sort of movie made to please many people, but I will guarantee that most people who approbate today with "I love this movie!" will moderate in ten years and say little more than, "I liked that movie." 7/10


ZDT was an excellent film, certainly, and it deserved more applause than TA.

Yours,
TulaneLSU

Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29296 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 7:02 pm to
Love the movie .

My one nitpick is they make it look like they plan the seal raid in a day when they actually had built an entire setup
Of the compound to train in before killing bin laden

But yes I love the movie .
Posted by someoldhussy
Candyland
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:13 pm to
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Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy


Still don't have a fricking clue what happened in this movie ??
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:15 pm to
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Still don't have a fricking clue what happened in this movie ??


Smiley, at the behest of Control, uncovered the mole in the Circus.
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:24 pm to
Friend,

It was not, IMO, a very good film. To me, it is insulting to compare Zero Dark Thirty to it.

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Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Politics isn't business. Politics is personal and often paphian. The Donations of Alexandria was the culmination of a grudge between Mark Antony and Octavia. The subsequent battle a testament to Antony's love for Cleopatra. Iraq II was fought, at least in part, for family vengeance. Lilliput and Blefuscu are excellent examples of the pettiness and personal nature of political warfare. Political espionage is just as personal in Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

The movie does its best to be a pretentious, transcendent arthouse masterpiece. But the film is easily deconstructed, and behind it we find a flawed, smug, contextualized, and flat attempt to be a Euro spy film noir. I get it, as much as a bald, fatuous, angry, and over-the-hill votary to himself who believes that by condescending praise his intelligence is made superior to his superior. The film, as much as I enjoy independent films, is not good. Oldman is decent enough, playing the demure introvert, saving his words for daring and correct conclusions character to whom he is no stranger. His character is the only character that has any depth and his performance the only that isn't awful. Tom Hardy, however, has come on strong of late, and I look forward to following his career.

I have not read the book, nor do I plan to because this film has nothing important to add. The film is hard to follow because there are too many characters who play essential roles. There are too many names to keep track of. Even for a person of my intelligence, I found it to be an overload of information. If you miss any of it, you miss the picture. Keeping track of the plot and characters is hard enough, and I can only imagine the director did this to the audience because he hoped that we would be so focused on the instruments in the film to miss the film itself. I assume we're supposed to learn about each character, to play a game of Clue: Who is the mole? By the middle of the movie, however, I didn't care. Why? Because no character outside of Oldman's had any depth. They were all simply there. And just as the recent Conan film jumped from scene to scene as fast as LSU fans turned on Les Miles, so too does Tinker Sailor Soldier Spy jump from character to character. The result is an apathy for all of the characters. I didn't care who died. I didn't care who was a traitor and why. I didn't care.

In the climatic scene, where the mole gives his reasons for treachery, I did not care. The climax for me was entering the film and it was a steady descent from there. And thank the heavens I did not care because as we await his reasons, expecting a shocking sockdolager, we get the reasons of a college-aged flibbertigibbet. If any critic rates the film highly, it's because of prejudices because the film is atrocious. 2/10


Yours,
TulaneLSU
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:29 pm to
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Politics isn't business. Politics is personal and often paphian. The Donations of Alexandria was the culmination of a grudge between Mark Antony and Octavia. The subsequent battle a testament to Antony's love for Cleopatra. Iraq II was fought, at least in part, for family vengeance. Lilliput and Blefuscu are excellent examples of the pettiness and personal nature of political warfare.



Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12761 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:30 pm to
Zdt >>>>> Argo
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
3900 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 6:57 am to
I absolutely love TTSS as well as ZDT. But I really like John le Carre.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51278 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 7:24 am to
Yeah, Tinker Tailor is awesome. I even rewatch it every so often.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20768 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 7:35 am to
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Zdt >>>>> Argo


Absolutely. Argo is a good movie but Zero Dark Thirty should’ve won Best Picture.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18429 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:16 am to
Zero Dark Thirty is damn near a masterpiece.

9/10
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29296 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:16 am to
Jessica chastain at the end, when osamas body’s on the plane and you see the relief in her face that all her work paid off.

So damn good
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12357 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:33 am to
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Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy


Still don't have a fricking clue what happened in this movie ??


I really liked the movie, but I'd also read the book a few months before watching. I can understand how people have a problem following it.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17718 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:40 am to
Chastain is pretty badass.

One thing I was never clear on, did she blow Coach Taylor's cover herself or was it really the Pakistanis?

She apologizes but wasn't sure if she really went balls out and blew a station chiefs cover. Don't think even she would do that to a fellow agent but I wasn't sure.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6579 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:10 am to
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Argo is a good movie but Zero Dark Thirty should’ve won Best Picture.
Agreed.

One film is about the CIA/military defeating terrorism, the other is about Hollywood defeating terrorism. It's not surprising which one won the Oscar for Best Picture
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7707 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:09 pm to
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Zero Dark Thirty


Was the CIA guy using the muslim prayer rug supposed to be based on John Brennan?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:19 pm to
Starlord with a nice performance in this, as well.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
11070 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:19 pm to
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It's not surprising which one won the Oscar for Best Picture

Hollywood loves movies about Hollywood.
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