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re: Who's in for Pickle Rick?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:02 am to Breesus
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:02 am to Breesus
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He turns himself into a pickle to avoid therapy and then he fights his way back just to go to the therapy?
I didn't have a problem with that. Rick thinks therapy is stupid and emotional connections pointless, yet has emotional connections despite knowing they're pointless. Makes sense to me he'd do everything he could to avoid going, yet deep down want to address the illogical connections he has that fly in the face of his view of the absurdity of life.
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they make a point the entire therapy session to discuss Beth's naivity and inability to distrust her father, but she brought the syringe with her, so obviously she doesn't trust him and knows exactly what in the syringe.
It's heavy handed and drags on, I'll agree but the whole thing is showing Beth constantly lying to herself because of the fear of losing her connection to Rick. She is like Rick, forcing the truth down to not deal with it.
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I mean the whole plot structure makes no sense.
It makes sense for the characters, it's just wasn't terribly compelling or interesting. The grounded therapy session vs the absurdity of Pickle Rick in a rat exoskeleton wasn't a bad thought, but the therapy killed the momentum of the episode.
You're right, it didn't build to much else but a therapy session and without that the pacing was off.
It's not that the therapy stuff didn't make sense. This tug of nothing matters, so why do these people matter to me is central to Rick and the ripples of how's he delt with that paradox effects not just him but the rest of the family.
It's not the logic here that was the problem, it was the on the nose and slow narrative vehicle.
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:16 am to Duke
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It's not the logic here that was the problem, it was the on the nose and slow narrative vehicle.
I'll agree with some of your points, especially the "on the nose" part. It's been obvious that Rick cares for Beth. Most Ricks care for most Beths when we see other Ricks. And you know he cares for Morty too. Remember the picture in Bird Person's house of Rick smiling and playing with baby Morty?
That's where the on the nose bullshite comes in. Those things were shown through action on the show. They weren't spelled out though long monotonous meaningless exposition monologs.
But I cannot agree that Rick would've just sat on that therapy couch and taken that abuse. 0% chance. Morty probably wouldn't have either. He's reprimanded Summer, Jerry, and his mom a number of times in the show. He wouldn't have just sat there.
I don't want to watch a whole season about how divorce affects the Sanchez family. That's fricking stupid. Especially when it comes to Rick and Morty.
Rick doesn't give a frick about that and Morty abandoned his original family already. And why is Jerry gone? I get that they're divorced but this is two straight episodes without Jerry. He was the funniest part of the Mad Max episode. Pretty big loss both for the character Jerry and for Chris Parnell who is hilarious.
Hell, just Jerry's pathetic attempts to rationalize his family might have saved those therapy scenes.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:57 am to Breesus
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I cannot agree that Rick would've just sat on that therapy couch and taken that abuse. 0% chance.
He would for the anti-pickle serum. While there, he told the therapist she was essentially a joke and so is therapy. Rick knows he needs to face his problems, but yeah, human therapy isn't the answer.
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I don't want to watch a whole season about how divorce affects the Sanchez family. That's fricking stupid. Especially when it comes to Rick and Morty
I don't either. I don't mind letting it linger some, but at some point it's got to serve as a jumping off point for further development. If these episodes served as establishing the mental state of our characters, fine, it'll work it's self out. Linger much longer and we'll get bored. They've got the track record to think this was a pretty good, but uneven act 1 of the season. Hopefully that's the case.
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And why is Jerry gone? I get that they're divorced but this is two straight episodes without Jerry. He was the funniest part of the Mad Max episode. Pretty big loss both for the character Jerry and for Chris Parnell who is hilarious.
Great point. It's been a weakness. And the show has gone to lengths to show despite their issues, Beth and Jerry are right for each other. Tiny Rick and the first interdimensional cable prove this to the viewer. A sudden and permentant divorce seems is at odds with the rest of the series. And I mean, Jerry is hilarious.
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Hell, just Jerry's pathetic attempts to rationalize his family might have saved those therapy scenes.
Maybe, but I'd rather see a Rick and Morty adventure where Jerry sneaks along and they can't drop him off at Jerryboree. Morty stuck in the middle of the hapless, stupid, but well intentioned Jerry and well...Rick. That's a better method to examine Rick's pushing connection away and how it impacts the family by comparing it to hapless Jerry who just yerns for the connection. Narrows the conflict of ideas to two people, with Morty, a mix of the two trying to balance the dynamic.
It's an easy drop in at this point too. Rick and Morty go through a portal, and Jerry trying to get time with his son jumps in after them.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:08 am to Duke
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He would for the anti-pickle serum.
He didn't even take it out of Beth's purse. He forgot about it until the car ride.
Also he now has arms and legs he could've just gone home and made more.
If they wanted to go a "Rick would do therapy for the serum" route then he should've had a monologue as a pickle without arms and legs apologizing for his past and promising to unite with his family, then as soon as they inject him he says frick all that I just wanted my serum, lick my balls. Because that's a scene that builds to something. And it shows Rick show "real emotion" and then pull the rug out as an uncaring a-hole. He shows up to therepy with his rat legs broken and missing an arm dragging himself in. He delivers a "heart felt" speech about how he learned something today and needs to care more and then as soon as he gets the serum says frick everyone, I didn't learn shite. I'm Rick mother fricker.
One of my favorite moments in the series is when he's praying to God to get him out the time paradox and when he fixes the necklace the first thing he does is bash God.
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While there, he told the therapist she was essentially a joke and so is therapy
She slapped him right back and just took it. Then apologized to Beth. Rick lost that fight. That was out of character.
Hell, he could've walked in, listened to the therapist for about 30 seconds, then killed her, took the serum, turned himself back into Rick, and then said I'm sorry, Beth. I needed that serum and I couldn't listen to that idiot anymore. Therapy isn't real. It's not smart. It's all bullshite. Think for yourself. I gotta take a shite.
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the show has gone to lengths to show despite their issues, Beth and Jerry are right for each other. Tiny Rick and the first interdimensional cable prove this to the viewer. A sudden and permentant divorce seems is at odds with the rest of the series. And I mean, Jerry is hilarious.
Agreed. The new writers are ignoring plots and character development from the first two seasons. It's annoying to an avid viewer.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:31 am to Breesus
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If they wanted to go a "Rick would do therapy for the serum" route then he should've had a monologue as a pickle without arms and legs apologizing for his past and promising to unite with his family, then as soon as they inject him he says frick all that I just wanted my serum, lick my balls. Because that's a scene that builds to something
Better comedy, yes. It doesn't do much for the character. It seems to me they're exploring Rick's existence is pointless and meaningless schtick against the fact his human mind had made meaning for him despite it.
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And it shows Rick show "real emotion" and then pull the rug out as an uncaring a-hole. He shows up to therepy with his rat legs broken and missing an arm dragging himself in. He delivers a "heart felt" speech about how he learned something today and needs to care more and then as soon as he gets the serum says frick everyone, I didn't learn shite. I'm Rick mother fricker.
You've put the air quotes in the wrong spots. Rick isn't uncaring, just an a-hole. His problem is the universes certainly don't give a shite and will take away what he cares about for no reason and not be an different for it. "Lick my balls" Rick is who he wants to be, not who he actually is. Im certainly not saying he isn't a selfish a-hole, just that he hates he's too human to be rid of that stupid drive to find meaning.
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She slapped him right back and just took it. Then apologized to Beth. Rick lost that fight. That was out of character.
I need to rewatch, but Im generally with you here. It's another example of the lacking vehicle that was the therapy angle and yes, may be indicative of new writers not being as grounded in the character.
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The new writers are ignoring plots and character development from the first two seasons. It's annoying to an avid viewer.
If they fix the dynamic soon enough, I'll be ok with it. If this drags on more, it'll take even an avid viewer giving them a wide berth to annoyance.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:36 am to Duke
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"Lick my balls" Rick is who he wants to be, not who he actually is.
I don't know about that. And that's what makes him Rick and its what makes the show interesting. You really never know if he cares or not. Look at the szechuan rant, of the reason he saved summer and Morty, etc..
But he's also gone out of his way to help Morty, been playful and caring at times, gone back to save morty after he said he wouldn't.
He's had moments of emotional connection and he's had moments of complete and total detachment.
He's forgotten the word for human twice, in the unity episode he doesn't even care if his grandkids are dead, he abandoned his original family on chronenberg world, etc...
The only person I can find him legitimately caring about in the show is Birdperson. And that's because Birdperson earned it. And is also a dimension traveling space genius world fighter. He goes do far as to explain this to Morty when he rescues him and feeds him carpet lint.
Sitting Rick in therapy and then having him emotionally grounded without ever showing the other side of the blade goes against everything Rick is.
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If they fix the dynamic soon enough, I'll be ok with it. If this drags on more, it'll take even an avid viewer giving them a wide berth to annoyance.
Agreed. And like I said earlier, the next episode is also written be a new female writer, but the 5th episode is written by the same guy that wrote the unity episode, and the first episode was written by the same guy that wrote The Devil episode, so I'm excited about that.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:54 am to Breesus
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I don't know about that. And that's what makes him Rick and its what makes the show interesting. You really never know if he cares or not. Look at the szechuan rant, of the reason he saved summer and Morty, etc..
I don't know about that either, it's just my working hypothesis. To me, the genuine caring mixed with his total detachment is showing the battle within his own head. The thing is, I could be totally off base and he's just an absurdist hero.
The not knowing what's in his head has driven us to delve into a discussion about meaning, the search for it, and the fact it might not even be there on a random Wednesday morning. That's quality art.
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Sitting him in therapy and then having him emotionally grounded without ever showing the other side of thy blade goes against everything Rick is.
Agreed. My point the problem wasn't the idea they were playing with, it was the execution. The shows consistent and detailed story telling and characterization becomes a negative when they miss the mark more than most shows.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:00 am to Duke
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The not knowing what's in his head has driven us to delve into a discussion about meaning, the search for it, and the fact it might not even be there on a random Wednesday morning. That's quality art.
agreed quote:
The shows consistent and detailed story telling and characterization becomes a negative when they miss the mark more than most shows.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:20 pm to fr33manator
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Wubba Lubba dub dub
Hey, that's Claptrap's dubstep song that he made up. Why'd you steal it?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:29 pm to Breesus
Fwiw he definitely cares about Unity.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:04 pm to Duke
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 8/9/17 at 6:25 pm to Breesus
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I just checked and the next episode is also female written,
girls are funny
get over it
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:15 pm to el Gaucho
Now say my vagina
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:26 pm to Breesus
Your vagina.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:03 pm to AggieDub14
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That and the Mr. Meeseeks episode are the best episodes in the show. If you ever want to introduce someone to Rick & Morty, start with those 2. The pilot isn't a good first episode to watch.
I would have told you the pilot was the worst episode to start out with, but Pickle Rick just passed it as worst episode.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:17 pm to Breesus
Breesus, love you bro but you are a miserable count who is determined to not like things.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:22 pm to LucasP
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Breesus, love you bro
I love you too dude. I didn't get a chance to read the rest of your post but I'll just assume it was nice things.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:24 pm to Breesus
Mostly about hand jobs. ...
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:29 pm to LucasP
Nice. I like when a woman uses only her thumb and index finer and makes kind of an angry disappointed look the whole time.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:30 pm
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