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Where is the situation with streaming services going now with the Disney move and others?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:55 pm
It seems at one time there was pretty much Netflix which offered a ton of stuff for a decent price. I'll admit that I was pretty late to jump on that one.
But now there seems to be potent players in Amazon, Hulu and others and with Disney now getting ready to pull stuff from Netflix and start their own service.
Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff? Will people do that?
Seems like the market is moving and I'm just not sure how it will play out in the end.
But now there seems to be potent players in Amazon, Hulu and others and with Disney now getting ready to pull stuff from Netflix and start their own service.
Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff? Will people do that?
Seems like the market is moving and I'm just not sure how it will play out in the end.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:58 pm to Methuselah
It will end up with everyone having to have 5 subscriptions to get what they want. Which will cost $50 a month. End up not saving any money.
Makes sense business wise from the provider standpoint. If they know people will pay for it, start your own "Netflix"
Makes sense business wise from the provider standpoint. If they know people will pay for it, start your own "Netflix"
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:03 pm to Methuselah
Everyone will end up paying $50-70 a month in subscriptions.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:03 pm to Methuselah
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Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff? Will people do that?
I'm not sure. Cord cutters seem happy, but if they can't get content, they will resort to other means.
Netflix, Amazon and Hulu are already pivoting and basing their future models on original content. But, the average American isn't going to give $8 to $10 to more than 3 or 4 places - at least I don't think. If you have 20 services and they're just $8 - that's at the level of cable bill when I said, "There has to be a better way."
The live TV "streaming" services are going to factor in this, too, as folks take sides on the Sling, PS Vue, Direct TV and others.
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Seems like the market is moving and I'm just not sure how it will play out in the end.
I'm just trying to stay flexible. I could tread water with just Kodi tomorrow if I had to. How long will that be true? I'm not sure. I pay for internet, Netflix, Amazon (which I would anyway, I'm an Amazon Prime junkie from way back) and HBO Now. If I had to drop 1 tomorrow, it would be HBO Now. 2? HBO Now and Netflix.
And I'd be fine. Live TV is going to be an experience this Fall. Kodi is much weaker on the mainline add ons. IPTV is an option, but I'm woefully ignorant on it.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:12 pm to Methuselah
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Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff? Will people do that?
just bounce around month to month
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:13 pm to Methuselah
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It seems at one time there was pretty much Netflix which offered a ton of stuff for a decent price. I'll admit that I was pretty late to jump on that one.
But now there seems to be potent players in Amazon, Hulu and others and with Disney now getting ready to pull stuff from Netflix and start their own service.
Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff? Will people do that?
Seems like the market is moving and I'm just not sure how it will play out in the end.
Amazon is going to end up trying to buy Netflix and/or Hulu. It's what they do.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:19 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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Amazon is going to end up trying to buy Netflix and/or Hulu. It's what they do.
Bezos: "Alexa, buy a Netflix subscription."
Alexa: "Buying Netflix."
Bezos: "Wait... eh, whatever."
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:19 pm to Wooly
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It will end up with everyone having to have 5 subscriptions to get what they want. Which will cost $50 a month. End up not saving any money.
Idk about your situation but if i was able (plan to cut the cord relatively soon but held up by some issues) replace my DIRECTV bill with a $50 bill I'd be saving a Perry good amount of money
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:24 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Will your boy Perry pay for my tv too?
Kidding aside, $50 for 3-4 services is a better deal than traditional cable that you are getting limited on demand and a bunch of channels you never watch.
Kidding aside, $50 for 3-4 services is a better deal than traditional cable that you are getting limited on demand and a bunch of channels you never watch.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:38 pm to Methuselah
I'm really surprised Apple and Amazon have not created a streaming service like Sling/Vue so I think we're still early in the shift from regional cable monopolies to competing national streaming Internet TV services.
I think there are 2 things working against this.
1) Bundling has been the model in place for decades because it works. Not many companies can create a compelling enough bundle to reach a critical mass on their own.
2) The average user, who has a much lower complexity and frustration threshold than the average Movie board and Tech board poster, is not going to do well when they have so many choices and interfaces. I'm on a promotion with PS Vue where I got both Showtime and HBO at a special rate for a year. I've opened the Showtime app maybe 4 times in 8 months. People will pick 2-4 services they use regularly and probably won't touch the rest. They just can't handle much more choice than that.
I think we're just going to see a shift from regional TV resellers to national TV resellers. NetFlix and Disney are just joining HBO as premium channels. The biggest thing I'm missing since cutting the cord are the live locals and I think that will get resolved eventually. In the end we'll probably end up paying a little less than we did 15 years ago for cable + premiums, but unlike 15 years ago you can watch anywhere anytime and practically any show.
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Will it get to the point where you need to get five or ten services to get a good selection of stuff?
I think there are 2 things working against this.
1) Bundling has been the model in place for decades because it works. Not many companies can create a compelling enough bundle to reach a critical mass on their own.
2) The average user, who has a much lower complexity and frustration threshold than the average Movie board and Tech board poster, is not going to do well when they have so many choices and interfaces. I'm on a promotion with PS Vue where I got both Showtime and HBO at a special rate for a year. I've opened the Showtime app maybe 4 times in 8 months. People will pick 2-4 services they use regularly and probably won't touch the rest. They just can't handle much more choice than that.
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Seems like the market is moving and I'm just not sure how it will play out in the end.
I think we're just going to see a shift from regional TV resellers to national TV resellers. NetFlix and Disney are just joining HBO as premium channels. The biggest thing I'm missing since cutting the cord are the live locals and I think that will get resolved eventually. In the end we'll probably end up paying a little less than we did 15 years ago for cable + premiums, but unlike 15 years ago you can watch anywhere anytime and practically any show.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:44 pm to Methuselah
It's just going to make me buy one subscription and pirate anything that isn't available on the one I have.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:46 pm to Methuselah
I remember when Starz pulled around a thousand movies from Netflix in 2012. I let my subscription end not long after that. I do Amazon Prime for the free shipping, and watch some things there. That's where I watch old TV series.
Having the ability to only pay for what you want will be better than the old cable format of paying for what you want, and a bunch of things you never watch. It will probably put some unpopular channels out of business.
Sports fans, more than anyone else, had been getting a little discount with the old cable format. Lots of the folks that cut cable had no desire to pay for ESPN and the SEC Network.
Having the ability to only pay for what you want will be better than the old cable format of paying for what you want, and a bunch of things you never watch. It will probably put some unpopular channels out of business.
Sports fans, more than anyone else, had been getting a little discount with the old cable format. Lots of the folks that cut cable had no desire to pay for ESPN and the SEC Network.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:46 pm to Methuselah
Until they can shut down Kodi, then there's no issue.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:48 pm to TigerinATL
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I think we're just going to see a shift from regional TV resellers to national TV resellers. NetFlix and Disney are just joining HBO as premium channels. The biggest thing I'm missing since cutting the cord are the live locals and I think that will get resolved eventually. In the end we'll probably end up paying a little less than we did 15 years ago for cable + premiums, but unlike 15 years ago you can watch anywhere anytime and practically any show.
Do the high def antennas they sell work reasonably well at all for local chanels? (talking about indoor, not the big thing you mount on your roof). I've wondered about that.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:51 pm to Methuselah
People on this board seem to think so. There are websites that you can give your address to and it will tell you what channels you should be able to get. Sorry I don't remember the site that's been posted before.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:08 pm to Methuselah
Unfortunately for the consumer, w/ every network building their own streaming offering, one massive company is going to eventually "bundle" all these services into one monthly price and we will have come full circle to right where we were before.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:31 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
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Unfortunately for the consumer, w/ every network building their own streaming offering, one massive company is going to eventually "bundle" all these services into one monthly price and we will have come full circle to right where we were before.
It's a funny situation. The age of cable has pretty much brought us the best television in probably ever. And the streaming seemed like they would build on that. But cable is so damned expensive and adding on streaming services with it is getting kind of ridiculous.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 7:46 am to Methuselah
I hope Disney does not decide to make espn family exclusive to their streaming service.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
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People on this board seem to think so. There are websites that you can give your address to and it will tell you what channels you should be able to get. Sorry I don't remember the site that's been posted before.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:04 am to OceanMan
quote:I think the concept if true cord-cutting is the way it will go, but I don't think we're quite there yet.
$50 for 3-4 services is a better deal than traditional cable that you are getting limited on demand and a bunch of channels you never watch.
You're still going to have to pay for internet, and various hardware.
As good as my connection is, I do still have to occasionally reboot both my cable modem and my router. It might be a year between the time I have to reboot my cable box, in comparison.
We have a 360, PS3 and a PS4. By the time I got around to figurning out how to use streaming apps on those, some of the services (ESPN on 360) was cut out. It isn't the hardware, it's on the other end. That pissed me off. And remember you're also paying for Sony or Xbox access, in addition to regular internet, with a game system (the PS3 was neat but I wouldn't plan on keeping it as a primary streaming device).
If you're going the PC route, I've got an old Dell Zino that seems to work great with Kodi, but the browser streams (espn, etc) are very choppy when pushed to a 50" tv. I'd much prefer regular HD cable for football, at least until they straighten that out.
Also regarding hardware- I do have my surround remote able to control my TV now, but beyond that... I can only imagine the remote setup you'd need to program and run tv, cable, sound, pc(s), and game systems.
I mean, it's doable, but I don't think you're really going to save that much, especially once you figure in the convenience of having cable etc vs a complete DIY setup.
I have 1 main TV setup in the living room with cable, kodi on a PC, surround, and the game systems; and then several other desktop and laptop setups. I might see how hard it would be to turn a desktop into a true "tv" setup with remote control and decent sound, and still keep it as a pc too.
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