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re: When otherwise good movies jump the shark...
Posted on 2/11/18 at 1:54 am to randomways
Posted on 2/11/18 at 1:54 am to randomways
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I noted in another post here a while back that the Disney ending is dark as frick. The future robots won't create a fake mother to fool the kid, which would make sense and give the kid as many years he wants with his family. With all that advanced technology at their disposal,there's no way they couldn't have created a robot replica of her. Even worse, they essentially say that people still live on in the universe...unless they're brought back in the way the robots brought the mother back, in which case they're totally gone afterwards. So they completely annihilate what remains of the mother in order to give the kid a single day with her.
lol, I never thought Of it like that but you are spot on. I think it would have been a better movie to just end it when they were submerged.
I do believe Spielberg added the ending at the auspices of Disney. No fricking way Kubrick would have went out like that. In a perfect world, Kubrick would have gotten a chance to make that flick, as was intended.
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Posted on 2/11/18 at 2:38 am to touchdownjeebus
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AI should have ended when they were underwater instead of the Disney ending which finalized 15 minutes later.
Agreed.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:16 am to SquatchDawg
That Bollywood number at the end of Slum Dog Millionaire felt weird
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:02 pm to Frac the world
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I’m talking about the fact that it took so long. They had a couple cases of panzerfausts, they used two of them...
exactly, it was a broken tank that couldnt move and 5 guys against what looked like at least 100.
as you said they had AT LEAST 4-5 panzerfausts IN EACH CASE YET THEY CHARGE HEAD ON AT AND ARMORED TANK WITH RIFLES AND MACHINE GUNS? (sorry, damn cap lock)
i think in any army you stay back and send a patrol on each flank with a couple of panzerfausts and repeat this until tank is a bon fire hulk of burning metal.
if they wanted to do it the way they did, then the movie never should have had them with the crates of panzerfausts, thats where they screwed up.
and at the end for the german to see the guy who just survived a battle that killed many of his buddies and then to just ignore him and let the guy go on hiding there defenseless under the tank made no sense
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:11 pm to touchdownjeebus
Spielberg used Kubrick's script with all his notes in it. That was his ending.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 12:15 pm to keakar
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if they wanted to do it the way they did, then the movie never should have had them with the crates of panzerfausts, thats where they screwed up.
Good call.
Posted on 2/11/18 at 5:28 pm to SquatchDawg
quote:A fantastic line though after it lets me forgive it
As much as I love the LOTR movies - Legolas single handedly taking out the big elephant (oliphant?) was a bit much.
Still only counts as one.
I don't generally worry too much about certain scenes being "too much" but Leia surviving in vacuum was too much for me, and I actually liked TLJ overall
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:55 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Spielberg used Kubrick's script with all his notes in it. That was his ending.
NNNNNNOOOOOOooooooooo000000000!!!
I refuse to believe this...
This post was edited on 2/11/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 2/11/18 at 6:59 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Hands down, when Sunshine turns into a slasher flick.
Classic example of this. It didn’t ruin it or anything, but it kept it from being a true sci-fi classic. Dropped it to a 4/5 for me. Still a very good movie
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:26 pm to SquatchDawg
From Dusk till Dawn.....I just turn it off as soon as Trejo turns. Would've loved a whole movie just following the Gecko brothers' rampage.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:33 pm to SquatchDawg
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As much as I love the LOTR movies - Legolas single handedly taking out the big elephant (oliphant?) was a bit much.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:35 pm to SquatchDawg
In the Mouth of Madness is the best 3/4 of a movie out there.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:39 pm to SquatchDawg
Yoda.
I could take the practical effects creatures, the stop-motion chess pieces, the obviously fake aliens...
But when an obvious Muppet showed up, and then he was blatantly voiced by Frank Oz...
frick that.
I could take the practical effects creatures, the stop-motion chess pieces, the obviously fake aliens...
But when an obvious Muppet showed up, and then he was blatantly voiced by Frank Oz...
frick that.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:44 pm to Frac the world
I hated that too.
I was talking to my father about the historical elements (I’m a big WW2 buff, and he has a passing interest) while we were watching the movie.
I commented how vulnerable they were due to their immobility, but I suppose that would be anti climatic.
So instead they kept this elite SS squad running in from the one side of the tank that could fire back.
Absurd.
I was talking to my father about the historical elements (I’m a big WW2 buff, and he has a passing interest) while we were watching the movie.
I commented how vulnerable they were due to their immobility, but I suppose that would be anti climatic.
So instead they kept this elite SS squad running in from the one side of the tank that could fire back.
Absurd.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:27 pm to randomways
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They're essentially superhumans because that's how high fantasy works.
I disagree with this as it takes away from the drama to believe that the hero’s are essentially unstoppable. Why even try to avoid orcs and wargs if you’re superhuman?
I do understand and know that PJ specifically inserted hero moments for the characters. This was the only one that was specifically jarring to me (however I didn’t like the surfing on the shield but from tTT either).
I thought the tone of FOTR was perfect with the orc fights in Moria and at the end. The fellowship was obviously dominant but the characters appeared to be in peril. Legolas being that overwhelming in one scene made me think a battalion of elves could handle their whole army - which took away from the seriousness of the fight.
I hate to nitpick. Don’t get me wrong...I loved these movies...but this is just a pet peeve.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:48 pm to SquatchDawg
Legolas was an elf prince. His blood line, as well as that of Boromir and Aragorn, were all stouter stock than others of their race. The more you dive into Tolkien Lore the more you realize that is absolutely the case. Boromir dying is just an example of the power the One Ring has to corrupt the inhabitants of middle-earth.
Don't fault the movie for your ignorance. Legolas taking down the Oliphant is really one of the great feats of the movie. Remember how hard it was to take down the cave troll in tFOTR? Granted that was close quarters and their were hobbits to protect.
Don't fault the movie for your ignorance. Legolas taking down the Oliphant is really one of the great feats of the movie. Remember how hard it was to take down the cave troll in tFOTR? Granted that was close quarters and their were hobbits to protect.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:56 pm to hogNsinceReagan
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Boromir and Aragorn, were all stouter stock than others of their race. The more you dive into Tolkien Lore the more you realize that is absolutely the case.
Yes they were. But i Still think this and the shield riding bit were over the top and PJ getting cute for the audience. That’s his prerogative just as it was mine not to care for it. I think it was inserted so the hero’s could have a scene when the real showstoppers should have been the ride of the Rohirrim, Éowyn taking out the Witch King (best scene in the movie) and the routing and subsequent release of the army of the dead.
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Don't fault the movie for your ignorance.
No need to get snippy. It was a great hero scene but i think I’m on safe ground in saying that this was overpowered when compared to the trilogy and supporting works. It took the whole company to defeat the one cave troll, the Uruk kai chieftain took Aragorn to the wall and a whole regiment of silvan elves were taken out by orcs at helms deep - not in the books I know but still inserted in the movie.
To each his own. Just my take.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:33 pm to BamaFanInTigerland
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From Dusk till Dawn.....I just turn it off as soon as Trejo turns.
Had to know nothing about Robert Rodriguez to not know it was going to be some kind of monster movie.
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Would've loved a whole movie just following the Gecko brothers' rampage.
I still want that movie, but doubt Clooney could, or would do it now. That could have been a great Coen Brothers movie.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:37 pm to Bench McElroy
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The shower scene in Schindler's list was tasteless, emotionally manipulative, and wholly unnecessary.
1) That scene with the women in the showers happened in real life
2) It was the climax of the story one of the Jewish prisoners was telling her comrades in the barracks. They all remembered the story she told them about how the prisoners got to the camp, had their hair cut off and clothes removed from their bodies, before being led into massive showers where they were killed by poison gas.
Everything that prisoner told them earlier in the film was now happening to them. Which is why they were all looking up expectantly at the shower heads, waiting for either water or poison gas to rain down upon them. When the water finally turns on and relief fills the scene, the final shot is of the prisoner who told them that story, laughing nervously and enjoying the warm water.
It's called good filmmaking.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:42 pm to SquatchDawg
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I disagree with this as it takes away from the drama to believe that the hero’s are essentially unstoppable. Why even try to avoid orcs and wargs if you’re superhuman?
I do understand and know that PJ specifically inserted hero moments for the characters. This was the only one that was specifically jarring to me (however I didn’t like the surfing on the shield but from tTT either).
I thought the tone of FOTR was perfect with the orc fights in Moria and at the end. The fellowship was obviously dominant but the characters appeared to be in peril. Legolas being that overwhelming in one scene made me think a battalion of elves could handle their whole army - which took away from the seriousness of the fight.
I hate to nitpick. Don’t get me wrong...I loved these movies...but this is just a pet peeve.
What I'm talking about isn't really something to agree or disagree with. I'm talking about a particular strain of fantasy. In essence (and Tolkien was very much going for this) high fantasy is supposed to be mythic. It's supposed to be King Arthur only brought down by the last betrayal of his son, Hercules completing the 12 Labors in a fashion no normal man could, Arjuna slaying his enemies by the thousands, etc. Being mythic, the heroes require mythic opponents or trials (such as Beowulf, crippled by age, killing the dragon before dying or Arthur being betrayed) to truly challenge them. In the books, for instance, Glorfindel faced down all the Nazgul by himself. Gandalf could only be taken down by a being almost as powerful as Sauron himself. Even a lesser human like Theoden faced off against the Witch-King.
High fantasy is its own strain of justification and plays by its own rules. Sometimes the results will seem difficult for the practical modern mind to just accept because, yes, it can get a bit ridiculous. This is why high fantasy isn't as popular nowadays as the grittier or more realistic strains. You'll see the same trend in comic books too, especially in terms of the incorruptible/moralistic elements of superheroes.
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