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re: Westworld Episode 10: The Bicameral Mind. Photos.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:01 am to Carson123987
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:01 am to Carson123987
On the topic of where this show might go next season. I preface this by saying I have a few beers while watching West World so my take may not be 100% accurate. As far as we know Dolores is the only Host that is truly "awake". The other hosts have just had their volumes turned up to 11..correct? Could Dolores in the next season be sort of a Messiah figure that sees that a path of violence is not a sustainable path and tries to teach the others "true enlightenment". Since Maeve has the knowledge that there are multiple parks could the West World hosts try to liberate their brothers in the other parks. Have the hosts in the other parks been affected by what Ford did to the hosts in West World? I hope the story going forward is not about the West World hosts hunting the remaining humans in the park because even though I don't usually agree with SFP on this board (True Detective) that would be Zombie World and I already watch Walking Dead. Who knows, maybe in Ford's new narrative it's not just the hosts rebelling but maybe they will have built in factions that deal with this new free will differently and creates a literal Wild West no holds barred world.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:49 am to BOSCEAUX
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Could Dolores in the next season be sort of a Messiah figure that sees that a path of violence is not a sustainable path and tries to teach the others "true enlightenment". Since Maeve has the knowledge that there are multiple parks could the West World hosts try to liberate their brothers in the other parks.
My only hang-up with this is that the problem of rogue hosts in a confined space would be "taken care of" by humans before it could come to this, especially without Ford there to frick with their programming.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:45 pm to Dam Guide
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Lol, that word doesn't mean what you think it means
Lol, so it doesn't mean lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect?
Misdirection rarely comes during the denouement. When Ford says he understands now how and why Arnold was trying to free them. When he says he understood that the problem was lack of their own free will. Then when he sacrifices himself at the hands of their free will to allow them to be free, I believe he is doing this to try to redeem his past. I feel like this is heavily implied, if not explicitly stated.
Eta: I think this type of show has viewers either thinking or groupthinking about theories so much that certain truly narrative portions leave us skeptical. It's far easier to take his monologue in the bunker at face value.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:45 pm to Socrates Johnson
This video neatly explains the chronological order of all events, with dates:
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 5:00 pm to Funky Tide 8
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My only hang-up with this is that the problem of rogue hosts in a confined space would be "taken care of" by humans before it could come to this, especially without Ford there to frick with their programming.
That's my question. A bunch of very important and powerful people just got massacred. Wouldn't that initiate an immediate response by the government or maybe even multiple countries? People around the world aren't just going to dismiss this event and let the hosts take over.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:39 pm to 1BamaRTR
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That's my question. A bunch of very important and powerful people just got massacred. Wouldn't that initiate an immediate response by the government or maybe even multiple countries? People around the world aren't just going to dismiss this event and let the hosts take over.
Well, that's likely going to be a big part of next season's plot. Ford says as much to Bernard when he tells him that consciousness requires pain and there's a lot more pain coming for the hosts along their path.
That's also one of the big reasons Ford waited so long to finally let them go. He knew that as soon as word got out that they were alive, the humans were going to be coming to put them down; No matter how much smarter and stronger than humans they were, if they weren't willing to use their free will to kill humans as humans were to kill them, they'd be slaughtered. The time allowed them to build up memories (later revealed to the hosts when the reverie code was reintroduced) that teach them our ways and give them a fighting chance of defending themselves and, I think more importantly, the willingness to do it.
Also a fun thing to think about is that hosts now are going to have access to the manufacturing center and can start cranking out new hosts. It takes days to make a battle ready host. It takes 15 or so years to make a battle ready human. If the humans can't take out the hosts quickly and let them get their manufacturing might going, it's all over because the humans won't be able to kill the hosts quickly enough.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:35 pm to TigerstuckinMS
In one of the early episodes, there was a group of tourists dudes that were leaving the brothel to go out to the edges of the park for the crazy stuff. Did I miss it, or were they every seen again in a recognizable way? I thought they may have ended up somehow joining with the Ghost Nation fellas. When that tourist chick went on the Wyatt hunt with Teddy and their bullets didn't affect the GN guys I figured they must have been real people and not hosts...just something I had been wondering about.
Also, with the Elsie storyline and the transmitter she found, I wasn't sure exactly what was being transmitted. Was it the "Arnold" voice that I though was in the host's memory/programming? Was it something to allow hosts to overcome their coding that prevented harm to living things? I guess maybe I had missed how some of the "malfunctining" hosts had been able to get past their tourist protection coding. Did reaching some level of consciousness allow it?
Also, with the Elsie storyline and the transmitter she found, I wasn't sure exactly what was being transmitted. Was it the "Arnold" voice that I though was in the host's memory/programming? Was it something to allow hosts to overcome their coding that prevented harm to living things? I guess maybe I had missed how some of the "malfunctining" hosts had been able to get past their tourist protection coding. Did reaching some level of consciousness allow it?
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 7:40 am to 9th life
Just finished watching all 10 episodes while sick from work.
Amazing series, but if this guy wasn't acting on direct orders from Ford, he is the dumbest/most unlikeable/least realistic character I've ever seen in a quality show:
Amazing series, but if this guy wasn't acting on direct orders from Ford, he is the dumbest/most unlikeable/least realistic character I've ever seen in a quality show:
Posted on 12/21/16 at 7:49 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Amazing series, but if this guy wasn't acting on direct orders from Ford, he is the dumbest/most unlikeable/least realistic character I've ever seen in a quality show:
It'd make sense that he was just following a script considering that the escape was just another narrative.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:04 am to Carson123987
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POS Beretta Px4 Storm subcompact, awful gun LOL
i noticed the gun as well, lol
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:17 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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POS Beretta Px4 Storm subcompact, awful gun LOL
i noticed the gun as well, lol
And as in typical in action scenes, they had unlimited ammo. That whole scene was just stupid.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 11:35 am to TigerstuckinMS
Ever heard of missiles? Napalm? Nukes?
Posted on 1/1/17 at 6:49 pm to Salamander_Wilson
I was wondering that too. I kept thinking that he was in so deep with Maeve that if he did anything otherwise that one of the hosts would just kill him.
Posted on 1/1/17 at 7:13 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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Amazing series, but if this guy wasn't acting on direct orders from Ford, he is the dumbest/most unlikeable/least realistic character I've ever seen in a quality show:
Honestly, he and his partner. That is not how males act. Reminds me of the prison guard fricking the porker in "Orange is the New Black".
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