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Was Westworld really good or the mere product of gimmick editing?

Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:48 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:48 pm
WW played games with the audience. Multiple timelines were shown at the same time with the same characters while the audience is left in the dark. Suppose the stories were laid out in chronological order (as happened in a version of Godfather II), do the stories retain their impact, their punch, or do they lose steam because the guessing game is gone?
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 9:51 pm to
Of course it would lose some luster.

But it was a great premise overall. Cut out Will's entire story and you still have an intriguing show.

Only criticism I have is that I don't have anyone left to root for. Should I really be rooting for Dolores? She's a droid who is killing humans.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:06 pm to
I wouldn't really consider that gimmick editing

Flashbacks are just another way to tell a story, they just didn't reveal that we were seeing flashbacks until the last episode
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:08 pm to
This is kind of a silly question
Posted by KarlMalonesFlipPhone
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

Suppose the stories were laid out in chronological order (as happened in a version of Godfather II), do the stories retain their impact, their punch, or do they lose steam because the guessing game is gone?


The same could be asked about pulp fiction, or any other film with a twist for that matter.
Posted by PapaPogey
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:12 pm to
I watched it and will continue to do so, but I'm not super anxious for the next season to start like some shows I watch. It's good but not great IMO. They tried a little too much and then just blew it all up in the end.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:12 pm to
I'm like 5 episodes in and really hoping for a hook. It's good enough to make me think an interesting story is coming, but it isn't there yet. Yes, the hosts are becoming cognizant, but is there a story line worth 5 more hours of my life. So far it feels like they are living on a "cool" concept.
Posted by Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:14 pm to
That's the perk of creating a story where the characters never age because they're artificial. You can mess with the time lines to play with the viewers.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 10:32 pm to
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The same could be asked about pulp fiction,



I will disagree at least in part. I really liked Westworld but they were clearly up to a different type of game with the audience than Pulp Fiction - although not entirely different from Memento. In the case of Westworld the time and actual identity of the characters at different points of the story is with-held from the viewer (without being clear that it is with-held) until the point at which big plot twists can be combined with the revelation of the disjointed nature of the timeline.

This was partially dishonest for the purpose of the reveal, but it wasn't entirely unfair because it was at least clear to the audience that the central story (like in Memento) included the loss of important memories by the major character(s).

I don't really think the audience was ever duped by the disjointed time-line in Pulp Fiction. The story occurs over a pretty short temporal window and the combination of intertwined vignettes just ends up to be a little more interesting when told out of linear order. When you watch it in temporal order the story actually feels less connected because the viewer doesn't have to actively think about how the different characters relate from the other stories.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 11:10 pm to
I wouldn't say it was gimmicky editing, but no. The editing is a lot of the appeal of Westworld. LOST wouldn't have been as good chronologically either and it's nice to have a complex intertwined narrative rather than just playing it straight forward.
Posted by GurleyGirl
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:06 am to
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Multiple timelines were shown at the same time with the same characters while the audience is left in the dark.


No, multiple time periods were shown as flashbacks which became obvious as the plot progressed. A timeline is a linear sequence of events over time. The depicted events were all part of the same timeline. Call it semantics but from my perspective separate timelines implies alternate universes/versions of events. For instance, if Hitler had never been born, then WWII might never have happened. Reality as we know is part of the same timeline since time began. IMHO parts of the same timeline should be referred to as separate time frames or time periods not separate timelines.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:27 am to
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LOST wouldn't have been as good chronologically


Have you watched it chronologically? There is a torrent out there where you can do just that called Chronologically Lost. It wouldn't make sense if you hadn't seen the series before, but it's a pretty cool way to rewatch the series.
Posted by Das Jackal
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:40 am to
I still don't know about this show. I'm 5 episodes in but have yet to feel that "I don't care if it's 11 o'clock on a work night I have to watch another episode" feeling from it. I like it, but almost feel like I have to make myself watch sometimes. I'll stick with it and see how it goes at the end of the season.
Posted by Indigold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:44 am to
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I like it, but almost feel like I have to make myself watch sometimes.

I felt the same way the whole season.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 8:45 am
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:49 am to
I watch Mr. Robot and half the time I'm not 100% certain if what I'm watching is actually happening or not, so a few unannounced flashbacks is nothing.

Convoluted plotting is the new thing in hollywood.
Posted by King George
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:07 am to
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Should I really be rooting for Dolores? She's a droid who is killing humans.
She's a self-aware life form who's been enslaved a tortured by humans.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:08 am to
I liked the way it was structured and the acting is as good as television gets. For me, I can put up with a few tricks and gimmicks if the acting is top notch.

Memento (another Nolan family project) is a classic example of this. The entire film is a gimmick, but so well done and different, and so well acted that it deserves quite high praise.

As does West World.

(ETA: Mo - I typed my post before I saw yours - great minds think alike, apparently, on the Memento comparison.)
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:12 am to
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Should I really be rooting for Dolores?


Dolores is the android equivalent of mentally ill. She's suffering from PTSD, for lack of a better term. And she was programmed to start killing folks, so she's not fully to blame.

It will be interesting to see how the park devolves into factions, like Lost or TWD.
Posted by colorchangintiger
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 10:36 am to
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Only criticism I have is that I don't have anyone left to root for.


You root for real sex robots.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 10:54 am to
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I wouldn't really consider that gimmick editing


and they gave a lot of clues that it was a flashback.
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