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Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:12 pm to CadesCove
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:15 pm to Fearthehat0307
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sam carried him
Sam should have pushed him off a cliff.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:16 pm to CadesCove
The ultimate knife-twist is that flashback scene at the end of Part II when it shows Fredo as the only one who shakes Michael's hand and supports his decision to join the army.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:27 pm to Udvarnoky
dude, your posts about poor fredo have me tearing up...stahp it
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:30 pm to Udvarnoky
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I was always curious about whether Tom Hagen was privy to this scheme, and if so what his thoughts were. Considering he was even voting against killing Roth, I'd like to think he never would have signed off on whacking family.
He wasn't a wartime consigliere. They never thought he was a bad consigliere - Santino was a bad don. But, he's out.
(For good reasons.)
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:32 pm to CadesCove
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I felt sorry for him when The Don got shot and they didn't even think enough of Fredo to shoot him too.
And they thought so little of him, they would rather have had him driving the Don, instead of their own inside guy.
Poor Fredo.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
well, to be fair to poor fredo, they couldn't have their inside guy shooting at them, and he didn't want to be there with the impression he served up the don.
but yeah, you're right it's kind of sad. all fredo wanted was attention and a little respect. sonny was tough, tom was smart, Michael was both...fredo was stupid and a cowardly. he wanted to be something he wasn't, and he could never get approval.
but yeah, you're right
it's kind of sad. all fredo wanted was attention and a little respect. sonny was tough, tom was smart, Michael was both...fredo was stupid and a cowardly. he wanted to be something he wasn't, and he could never get approval. Posted on 10/9/15 at 12:50 pm to DelU249
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they couldn't have their inside guy shooting at them, and he didn't want to be there with the impression he served up the don.
Yeah - he got it anyway, because of Corleone connections at the phone company.
True story - De Niro was supposed to be Paulie (after failing in his audition to play Sonny) but he was traded to another production for Pacino. This freed De Niro to play young Vito in II, thus earning him his first Academy Award. The more you know, right?
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:16 pm to DelU249
Yes. Fredo wasn't just weak, he was very jealous and self-centered. It would have only been a matter of time before he betrayed Michael again and may have been successful and when you're the Don you can't afford to take those chances.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:25 pm to USMCTiger03
I was always under the impression that Fredo wasn't in on the attempt on Michael. He was definitely in bed with the guys who did try to hit Michael but he was not aware they were going to try to kill him. Fredo just wanted his piece but was too stupid to realize the game he was playing.
If I was Michael I would have banished him to the Old Country to live out his days under guard in a villa. Basically, send him to a mafia prison.
If I was Michael I would have banished him to the Old Country to live out his days under guard in a villa. Basically, send him to a mafia prison.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:33 pm to SoDakHawk
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If I was Michael I would have banished him to the Old Country to live out his days under guard in a villa. Basically, send him to a mafia prison.
You wouldn't have lasted as Don very long, then, baw. Imagine the signal that sent. Be loyal to Michael, and you'll be alright. Cross him? Even family isn't immune to getting whacked.
(And Fredo was probably too dumb to consider what he was involved in, but the Don cannot afford to take that chance.)
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:40 pm to SoDakHawk
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I was always under the impression that Fredo wasn't in on the attempt on Michael. He was definitely in bed with the guys who did try to hit Michael but he was not aware they were going to try to kill him. Fredo just wanted his piece but was too stupid to realize the game he was playing.
He didn't know it was going to be a hit.
But that wasn't the only betrayal. He knew the lawyer for the Senate committee was working for Hyman Roth and he didn't tell Michael.
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Fredo just wanted his piece
Michael always took care of him.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:51 pm to Fearthehat0307
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yes. he was dead weight. sam carried him
Based on the aristocratic society Tolkien grew up and appreciated, especially the relationship between an officer (chosen from the nobility) and his bat man (chosen from the servant class), Tolkien did not believe Sam had the innate nobility necessary to carry the ring while resisting its influence. In the end, not even Frodo did, but he made it a lot farther than Sam ever would have.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:52 pm to DelU249
I thought this thread was going to about Idiocracy.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 1:59 pm to USMCTiger03
Nah. The only leverage that Fredo had was that Michael trusted him. With that gone he was too weak to be a threat. Killing him was entirely vengeance.
It's sort of the theme of Michael's arc in the Godfather. Everything is supposed to be about family. But Michael gets so wrapped up that he ends up destroying the family that he was supposed to be protecting.
It's sort of the theme of Michael's arc in the Godfather. Everything is supposed to be about family. But Michael gets so wrapped up that he ends up destroying the family that he was supposed to be protecting.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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You wouldn't have lasted as Don very long, then, baw. Imagine the signal that sent. Be loyal to Michael, and you'll be alright. Cross him? Even family isn't immune to getting whacked.
Signal sent to whom? By that time Michael had wiped out his enemies. Roth was dead and Michael had won. Michael didn't need to kill Fredo. Bansihment would have been just fine.
Killing Fredo didn't stop guys from still coming after him in Part 3. You would think that killing your own brother would come across as so stone cold that nobody would ever want to F with Michael again, but yet they did.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Michael always took care of him.
Taken care of him? He's his kid brother and he takes care of him? Did he ever think about that? Hah? Did he ever once think about that?
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:04 pm to pvilleguru
In hindsight it's pretty clear that Michael had no way to predict the psychological harm he would do to himself by making that decision.
With Roth dying and Johnny Ola dead Fredo had no more involvement with a threat to Michael.
Forgive, make peace and and send him away.
The best scene from part III was the confession scene where Michael confesses to killing his brother.
If you were that Cardinal you'd have to be thinking to yourself, "holy FRICK"
With Roth dying and Johnny Ola dead Fredo had no more involvement with a threat to Michael.
Forgive, make peace and and send him away.
The best scene from part III was the confession scene where Michael confesses to killing his brother.
If you were that Cardinal you'd have to be thinking to yourself, "holy FRICK"
Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:13 pm to SoDakHawk
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Killing Fredo didn't stop guys from still coming after him in Part 3.
Just pretend that one didn't happen.
Or it was some crazy dream of Michael's.
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