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The Sam Mendez James Bond movies have been character assassination
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:04 am
Specter was ok. The action was fine. But i almost immediately was fuming with what they've turned James Bond into in Skyfall and Spector. They turned a cool, suave, charming character into little more than a thug perfectly fine to put countless innocent lives on the line and threaten/bully people he can. The whole opening seen was just damn.
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Posted on 11/7/15 at 3:42 am to athenslife101
We need Martin Campbell back asap
Posted on 11/7/15 at 5:01 am to athenslife101
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The whole opening seen was just damn.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:25 am to athenslife101
quote:Which is more realistic:
They turned a cool, suave, charming character into little more than a thug perfectly fine to put countless innocent lives on the line and threaten/bully people he can.
1. A cool, suave, and charming individual who happens to be one of the most deadly secret agent assassins
OR
2. one of the most deadly secret agent assassins happens to be cool, suave, and charming when needed?
I think the two have subtle distinctions but the second is more realistic and represents the Craig version of Bond?
This post was edited on 11/7/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:43 am to athenslife101
Mendes brah
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:51 am to buckeye_vol
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Which is more realistic:
Not really going to Bond movies for realism.
The series was built on the suspension of disbelief. Vehicles and devices that were slightly ahead of current science, villains that were slightly over the top, Bonds that loved and fought a bit too easily.
"Grim" and "real" shouldn't have to be used to describe a James Bond film.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:57 am to buckeye_vol
Don't go down the realistic route. There is nothing realistic about how Bond was portrayed here. Over anything else, these agencies look at people who can follow orders. Otherwise, they're just thugs.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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seen
I wasn't sober and autocorrect.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 11:56 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:Of course. But just because we are willing to accept things that are not realistic, doesn't mean that realism is now a negative.
Not really going to Bond movies for realism.
The series was built on the suspension of disbelief.
Besides the realism spectrum for the action and technology is different than the realism spectrum for a character's personality and motives.
quote:The Craig film's are also telling an origin story of Bond and explains the reasons for the classic Bond personality and have shown the gradual transition.
"Grim" and "real" shouldn't have to be used to describe a James Bond film.
For example, perceived betrayal of Vesper in Casino led him to being a unemotional womanizer. His tragic past (an orphan) led him to choosing (or to be chosen for) a profession that involves murder and deception and requires a facade, one that probably develops into the suave and charm.
Besides, while the Craig films have been MORE "grim," I don't think they have been completely devoid of his charm. His interactions with Moneypenny in Skyfall were a prime example of this, and again, highlight the transition of his personality.
This post was edited on 11/7/15 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/7/15 at 11:57 am to athenslife101
Bond as a series had to go down this route after the final Peirce Brosnan film. It had become too ludicrous, with the main baddie being a dude disguised as a dude, playing another dude.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 11:59 am to athenslife101
quote:And Bond has always been the agent who deviates from the norm in that regard. He's the most defiant, but he's also the best. As a result, his defiance is usually justified.
Over anything else, these agencies look at people who can follow orders.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 12:10 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
Not really going to Bond movies for realism.
The series was built on the suspension of disbelief. Vehicles and devices that were slightly ahead of current science, villains that were slightly over the top, Bonds that loved and fought a bit too easily.
"Grim" and "real" shouldn't have to be used to describe a James Bond film.
This describes Roger Moore films and late Sean Connery films, not the first 5 or 6 Connery movies, because...
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Bond as a series had to go down this route after the final Peirce Brosnan film. It had become too ludicrous, with the main baddie being a dude disguised as a dude, playing another dude.
This is correct. While the turn has been more serious, more real, it was a course correction. I felt Spectre settled into a nice groove more akin to From Russia with Love than Die Another Day.
I liked it, and almost thought it was slightly too light. However, Craig is showing some wear, he has one, maybe two films left. And that's if they get to a 2-year time frame, not the current 3-year span.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 1:34 pm to Freauxzen
Craig has already said that he doesn't want to play Bond again. It could be subtle contract negotiation, but "I would rather slit my wrists" seems pretty strong.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 4:57 pm to athenslife101
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The whole opening seen was just damn.
Posted on 11/7/15 at 8:17 pm to Freauxzen
People like James Bond because you want to be him. Who'd want to be Craig's Bond?
Posted on 11/7/15 at 10:51 pm to athenslife101
He's actually much closer to Fleming's Bond than anyone prior.
But Connery is the GOAT Bond and it's not close.
But Connery is the GOAT Bond and it's not close.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 1:12 pm to athenslife101
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People like James Bond because you want to be him. Who'd want to be Craig's Bond?
No one. You take away the fun and charm and his sleeping with the widow of the man he just killed just comes across as sick and perverse.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 1:28 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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No one. You take away the fun and charm and his sleeping with the widow of the man he just killed just comes across as sick and perverse.
Exactly. It felt like he was taking advantage of her. It felt very awkward to watch.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:00 pm to athenslife101
This bond is much closer to the book Bonds. He was a tough, dark person who was hurt by Vesper's suicide. He then was bent on revenge against SMERSH and later Specter.
He was much more of a killer in the books than what was portrayed in the movies until Craig came along.
He was much more of a killer in the books than what was portrayed in the movies until Craig came along.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:15 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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You take away the fun and charm and his sleeping with the widow of the man he just killed just comes across as sick and perverse.
Would you deny a widow comfort and succor in her time of need? God, some of you are fricking heartless.
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