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re: THe Official Comic Book Villain Tournament (Round II) Voting Open
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:45 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:45 pm to BlacknGold
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i mean, do you really see this as being one sided either way to where it shows a bias? there was a pretty good debate whether or not Loki should beat Amazo. the vote was even pretty close.
Doomsday is even stronger than Amazo. how long will loki slide by?
he gets a big benefit from being associated with thor. this is a straight up hand to hand tournament. i dont think its a landside for either
Ok I won't do this point by point
(I actually started that way and went back to edit 
) Only because Amazo can copy powers, that was the only thing that kept him in it. I mean yeah if this is an arm wrestling match you have a point about Doomsday's strength making that big of a difference. If you mean one on one, not "hand to hand" right?
Ok maybe not a landslide, but this was in reaction to the "If anyone votes for Darkseid it's Marvel bias" asserton, but Loki has a big advantage:
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Loki is the most skilled magician in all of Asgard, if not all of the nine worlds. Through magic is he able to achieve a myriad of effects and powers such as supersonic flight, dimensional teleportation, intangibility and invisibility, energy blasts, energy manipulation, illusion casting and forcefield generation.
Doomsday won't be able to touch Loki really, that would be the first problem.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 2:47 pm
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:51 pm to Freauxzen
wasnt one of the big talking points for Doomsday is that he has evolved so much through his fights?
comic vine:
hes faced magic (hell, he just beat black adam), JLA teams with Zatanna, and many other heroes. He also has a healing factor.
eta: great job not turning it into a doctorate
comic vine:
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Good examples of this are when he breathed flames against the Martian Manhunter;elongated his knuckle protrusions to attack Superman in the air; or canceled out Radiant, a being of pure energy, by generating an aura of energy and slamming it into Radiant.
hes faced magic (hell, he just beat black adam), JLA teams with Zatanna, and many other heroes. He also has a healing factor.
eta: great job not turning it into a doctorate
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:52 pm to Freauxzen
quote:The Hulk didn't have a problem touching him.
Doomsday won't be able to touch Loki really, that would be the first problem.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:57 pm to abellsujr
also, i could probably be swayed on the Zod vote. just no one has opened up that fight yet.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:00 pm to BlacknGold
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hes faced magic (hell, he just beat black adam), JLA teams with Zatanna, and many other heroes. He also has a healing factor.
Fair enough. Like I said, not a landslide, but Loki is incredibly powerful. He beat Black Adam because that would turn into a fist fight, and in that case, Doomsday probably beats any other being in this tournament. Loki has too many tools at his disposal. The other easy argument is that any artifact Loki teleports in is something Doomsday has never faced.
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eta: great job not turning it into a doctorate
Man that's YEARS of programming. There's a reason I do that. You used thesis in the other thread,
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:00 pm to abellsujr
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The Hulk didn't have a problem touching him.
Touche'. Not canon but good call.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:04 pm to BlacknGold
quote:This one is much closer, but we're essentially talking about someone with the power of Superman vs. Mr Sinister. I have to vote Zod.
also, i could probably be swayed on the Zod vote. just no one has opened up that fight yet.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:13 pm to abellsujr
which is my thinking as well. id like to hear a pro-sinister argument
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:13 pm to BlacknGold
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was it ever cleared up about Ultron having a limited capacity to absorb energy? hasnt there been multiple times hes overloaded?
I've looked around some and can't find an example of this or even Ultron even using this energy absorbing thingy against anyone. Closest I found was he once absorbed the energy in Ironman's armor. But Ironman just adjusted his armor to compensate. Found where Thor absorbed Ultron's energies, but not Ultron absorbing the energy from Thor's lightening.
Not saying it's wrong, but maybe it's not something used for battle, but simply as a means to absorb electromagnetic energy from nature as a means of constant power? IDK and will keep looking.
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Loki vs. Doomsday
I can see a case being made for both. I realize Doomsday evolves after each defeat, which means he has to be defeated to evolve. This is a one time deal. Loki defeats him and it's over.
Question to be becomes HOW does Loki defeat Doomsday? Just teleport him out of the dimension and it's over for Doomsday???
Now that I think about it, couldn't Darkseid just do the same with Ultron?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:14 pm to abellsujr
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but we're essentially talking about someone with the power of Superman vs. Mr Sinister. I have to vote Zod.
Sinister is a telepath.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:16 pm to Darkknight
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I realize Doomsday evolves after each defeat,
in the examples i gave, he evolved during the fight
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Just teleport him out of the dimension and it's over for Doomsday?
id hate if this is all it takes for a win. then anyone with teleporting wins. hell, that could make Mephisto beat anyone very easy.
Besides, teleporting Doomsday wouldnt really be beating him. he can survive in almost any condition.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:18 pm to BlacknGold
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which is my thinking as well. id like to hear a pro-sinister argument
See the ultra nerds here:
LINK
They specifically take away Manhunters telepathy to even it out. I was trying to find some info if Zod has resisted mind control like Supes. Found none. Did find that.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:20 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Who's to say he could manipulate the mind of a Kryptonian. Like I said, this one is pretty close. Sinister is a mental power and Zod is a physical power. They're both smart, but Sinister is a genius. This may be a toss up, but I vote Zod.
Sinister is a telepath.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:23 pm to BlacknGold
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in the examples i gave, he evolved during the fight
Roger that. I was just going off memory, no research.
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id hate if this is all it takes for a win. then anyone with teleporting wins. hell, that could make Mephisto beat anyone very easy.
I agree and a hellava boring way to fight. But if that is a power they have...................
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he can survive in almost any condition.
This much is true
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:29 pm to abellsujr
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Who's to say he could manipulate the mind of a Kryptonian.
meh. even without that, it seems Sinister would win. He can control his density, believe he has energy blasts, and all similar properties to Zod in terms of stamina and invulnerability.
I think im switching to Sinister
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:32 pm to BlacknGold
quote:I think Zod is stronger, and it's not close. Sinister is immune to injury, but how much of a pounding can he take from Zod?
meh. even without that, it seems Sinister would win. He can control his density, believe he has energy blasts, and all similar properties to Zod in terms of stamina and invulnerability.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:34 pm to abellsujr
and I guess this is assuming Zod has all of Kal-El's powers as well.
this is a lot closer than I thought. That means zod has the eyebeams, breath, speed, flight, etc.
tough one.
this is a lot closer than I thought. That means zod has the eyebeams, breath, speed, flight, etc.
tough one.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:36 pm to BlacknGold
From DC:
Powers: super strength, flight, invulnerability, super speed, heat vision, freeze breath, x-ray vision, superhuman hearing, healing factor
Powers: super strength, flight, invulnerability, super speed, heat vision, freeze breath, x-ray vision, superhuman hearing, healing factor
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:37 pm to BlacknGold
To answer your early question, I think we all agree that ultranationalist could absorb darkseid's beams.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:37 pm to Darkknight
Zod would break Sinister in half. I've decided.
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