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re: The Legend of Tarzan (NOW SHOWING)

Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:48 am to
Posted by TygerTyger
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:48 am to
I grew up reading the Tarzan novels. Hell, the first "novel" I ever read as a little kid was Tarzan of the Apes I've watched about every Tarzan movie ever made, and none of them have come close to portraying him the way he is in the novels. They either go with the dumb brute "me Tarzan, you Jane", the complete mute ala Bo Derek (although she was FIYAH hot as Jane and showed all the goods), or a bit of a whimp like Greystoke.

The Tarzan of ERB books was extrememly smart, savage in his own way, cunning, and honorable. Sure, it was a unrealistic character, but it was the fictional characher that the world fell in love with.

I hope they do it justice and don't turn it in to another modernized social commentary bullshite.

They whiffed on John Carter, please get Tarzan right dammit.

ETA

I see some good stuff and bad stuff from this article:

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Good:

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Yates also found Skarsgård a perfect Tarzan for 2015. The filmmaker liked that he was born in Sweden but found a career in America, so “he has this wonderful quality of not quite belonging to one or the other.” Plus, there was a distinct grace and physicality to the 6-foot-4 actor.

“Tarzan needs muscles, but it’s more a leaner, longer, more vertical modern man than the square-jawed stereotype we’re used to,” Yates says.


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He’s left his African home behind — his early days are seen in flashbacks — but is constantly reminded of his earlier exploits and gets invited back as an emissary of Parliament. While hesitant at first, Tarzan eventually returns to the Congo, old friends as well as Jane are put in serious danger, and his latest cliff-jumping, vine-swinging story kicks off from there.

“It’s almost the opposite of the classic tale, where it’s about taming the beast,” says Skarsgård, 39. “This is about a man who’s holding back and slowly as you peel off the layers, he reverts back to a more animalistic state and lets that side of his personality out.”


Bad:

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Jane has always factored heavily into the Tarzan mythology, and Yates envisions Robbie as a 21st-century take on the character who’s “in no way a passive partner to Tarzan. She’s a really strong, assertive, beautifully knowledgeable, very sexy modern woman who can more than look after herself,” says the director.


For frick's sake, why does every goddamn movie have to have a "strong female role model"??? Sometimes, the woman IS a damsel in distress. Not some 98 lb martial arts master/weapons expert who can throw 200 pound burly guys around like Steven Segal.

fricking SJW Title 9 bullshite.

This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 11:07 am
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:20 pm to
This guy from the IMDB Message boards really knows Tarzan:

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There are certain things that any good Tarzan adaption needs to have and very few have actually adhered to. All you need to do is read the book. It's all there, Don't change it, rearrange it or "Make it your own" It's not your story! it's Edgar Rice Burrough's story!

1- It's a period piece. Tarzan was born in 1888. The events of the first novel take place in 1909. DO NOT update them to the twenty-first century!

This is one of the most important things in my opinion. It's not just true for Tarzan but for any literary creation. The time period in which they are created and exist are an integral part of who they are. You can't modernize a character and expect them to be the same character. In my opinion Tarzan just doesn't work in the modern world. He's a child of the wild unexplored places and there are few of those left today.

2- Tarzan's Africa is NOT the real historical Africa that we know. It is in fact a very stylistic, fictionalized version of colonial European Africa.

This is also very important, Any persons environment plays as important a role in who they are as does era. Tarzan's Africa is a wondrous place filled with lost cities and ancient unknown tribes. Magic wielding wizards and medicine men. Dinosaurs and monsters. Don't try to match it with the real Africa of our world because that's not what it is. Now I realize that in Burroughs time not very much was known about Africa which is probably why he chose that continent to place this story in. It allowed him to let his imagination run wild but even now this can be visualized if you just make sure people understand that this is a fictional version of the dark continent.

3- Tarzan was NOT raised by Gorillas. They were a fictional species of large ape that Burroughs created for this story. (The Mangani).

This one really bugs me because it only takes reading the book to know that the Mangani are not gorillas. why filmmakers want to turn them into gorillas is beyond me. This is another indication of Burrough's genius as a storyteller in my opinion. Science knew very little about gorillas then so instead of trying to match actual creatures to his story only to have them not match what science might learn later he created his own. In fact Burroughs has gorillas in the story portrayed them pretty much the way the public viewed them then, as huge vicious brutes who could be dangerous mankillers.

4- Tarzan's adoptive ape father was NOT Kerchak the tribes leader.

The Disney film is guilty of this. Kerchak was the leader of the tribe but he was not Tarzan's adoptive ape father. That was Tublat, Kala's mate. Kerchak was a vicious hateful brute who in fact was responsible for the death of Kala's original ape child. Tarzan finally kills him and becomes leader of the tribe. In fact Tublat didn't much care for Tarzan either but he was more afraid of him than anything. Do not make Kerchak Tarzan's ape father!

5- Tarzan although uneducated and ignorant when young, was not stupid.

He was in fact very intelligent. He did not speak with broken English and NEVER said "Me Tarzan, You Jane" EVER! Tarzan was very good at learning languages and could eventually speak, as well as the Mangani language and English, French, Dutch, German, Swahili, many Bantu dialects, Arabic, ancient Greek, ancient Latin, Mayan, the languages of the Ant Men and of Pellucidar.

6- Tarzan was not a pacifist.

He had no problem killing his enemies if it was necessary but he didn't kill with malice or hatred. He killed for protection, to end a particularly intractable enemy threat and since he was not a vegetarian, He had no problem killing animals for food.

7- He was not above using a weapon.

His favorite weapon was his fathers hunting knife followed by His rope that he made from vines and learned to use when he growing. He was also fond of bow and arrows and a spear if he could make them. He would also use a rifle it he had no choice.

8- If you do a Tarzan origin to not rush through the first part of Tarzan's life.

this is actually the most interesting part of the first book. Tarzan growing up, finding his parents cabin and slowly teaching himself to read and coming to realize that he is not an ape but something more. Learning how top deal with the animals and living in the jungle. These are the things that make Tarzan who he is, don't gloss over them just to get to the action. I love that part of the book.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:53 pm to
One correction:
quote:

1- It's a period piece. Tarzan was born in 1888. The events of the first novel take place in 1909. DO NOT update them to the twenty-first century!

This is one of the most important things in my opinion. It's not just true for Tarzan but for any literary creation. The time period in which they are created and exist are an integral part of who they are. You can't modernize a character and expect them to be the same character. In my opinion Tarzan just doesn't work in the modern world. He's a child of the wild unexplored places and there are few of those left today.


Burroughs himself kept Tarzan in current times. Tarzan fought Europeans in Africa prior to the first world war, fought the Hun during World War I, fought the Japanese during World War II, and probably would've fought in Korea and Vietnam if ERB had lived past 1950.

Though I do prefer him as a period character, he worked fairly well as the modern, James Bond Tarzan of the Mike Henry films.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:21 pm to
Due to number of character limitations I didn't copy that guys whole post. But her addressed the issue of Tarzan staying current.

See Item 15:

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9- Tarzan's stranded English parents did not build a treehouse.

Now I have nothing in particular against a treehouse. In fact I think living in a huge elaborate treehouse would be pretty cool but that is not what Tarzan's father built. He built a cabin coated it with several layers of clay that hardened to cement like hardness. Gave it an elaborate locking mechanism to keep the apes out.

10- Tarzan's real name is John Clayton!

Please, PLEASE for the love of God do not make the villain's name Clayton. Do not give the name Clayton to some other character who may or may not be the villain. John Clayton. Actually to be completely technical and nitpicky about it. The person narrating the book Tarzan of the Apes describes both Clayton and Greystoke as fictitious names – implying that, within the fictional world that Tarzan inhabits, he may have a different real name. But we can overlook that if you just make Tarzan's name John Clayton III, Viscount of Greystoke.

11- Jane is a blonde American!

There is no reason to make her anything else. Either a brunette or any other nationality. I mean why? A blonde American I would think is fairly easy to cast.

12- NO Chimpanzee comic relief.

The only animal companions that Tarzan had were,
Nkeema, a small monkey with a big ego who, while he could provide some comic relief quite often helped Tarzan.
Tantor, Tarzan's name for all elephants not any particular elephant, He was able to befriend any elephant he met because of his natural affinity to the jungle animals. he would often ride on Tantor's back if he didn't feel like traveling through the trees or if he needed some real muscle.
Jad-Bal-Ja, The golden lion. A lion that Tarzan raised form a cub and while he was Tarzan's friend and would obey him he was still a wild predator. Tarzan knew this and didn't try to push him too hard to do something too against his nature.

13- Tarzan was not a vine swinger.

That comes from the Weissmuller movies. Although it's not beyond the realm of possibility that once in a while he used a vine to swing from one tree to another, Tarzan's primary mode of travel was to jump from branch to branch through what Burroughs called the middle terrace of the canopy. He could in fact travel much faster that way than a man could on the ground. (Disney actually didn't do a bad job portraying this. I thought the sliding along the branches was pretty neat just way too overdone.)

14- Tarzan had Black hair. Not blonde, not brown not even dark brown but thick, jet black hair.

This may not seem like a big deal but it kind of is. How a character looks is important. Specially an iconic one like Tarzan. It gives him that dark browed, brooding stoic look that he is famous for.

Regarding looks he also has a scar on his forehead that he got in a fight with one of the big Gorillas. He kept it the rest of his life and it flames red when he is really angry.

15- Tarzan is immortal.

This is actually not really well known outside of diehard fans like me. he was given some kind of potion when he was a young man by a witch doctor that made him immortal.

Last but certainly not least, And I can't stress this strongly enough.

16- Tarzan is NOT your creation.

He was created by Edgar Rice Burroughs. He made him a certain kind of character. Gave him certain sensibilities and characteristics. DO NOT try and make him your own. Do not update him to try and give him depth or make him complicated. Do not try to turn him into some modern, ecology spouting, new age do gooder.

READ THE FREAKIN BOOK!! Everything you need to make a damn good Tarzan movie is in there if you'll just use it. There is a wealth of adventures. Twenty four volumes written by Burroughs. For the love of the character and the fans use them, don't change them or re-write them or modernize them. Just adapt them.

Thank you.


I also prefer him as a period character, letting him have adventures up until around the end of WW2. After that, the times just get too modern. I don't want to see Tarzan carrying around a damn smart phone and using Uber.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:30 pm to
The trailer is up, and it's perfect.

LINK
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:37 pm to
quote:

They whiffed on John Carter, please get Tarzan right dammit.

This will bomb at the box office.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
9198 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 8:46 am to
Yeah man, looks pretty promising.
Posted by Gusoline
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:34 am to
Rather than start a new thread i will bump this one.

Moviephone page with trailer #2


I think this will do amazingly. it's a different, refreshing way to come at the story instead of just another re make of previous versions. They could possibly take this and run it until it becomes as cheesy as The Mummy series.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:36 am to
IMAX Trailer

This movie looks better and better.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:06 pm to
So pumped for this movie. I was never really into comics or superheroes growing up. Tarzan was the guy I idolized.

Really hope they do this well.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/19/16 at 10:49 pm to
Final Trailer is the best.

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Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:19 pm to
Trailer #2

I really liked Greystoke.

But this looks like the King Kong reboot with Jack Black mixed with 300. Bad and absurd CGI and slo-mo fighting...cartoon.




This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:56 pm to
movie was kinda dumb

margot robbie is of course hot as frick as the damsel in distress, jane, though.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36039 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:11 am to
The critics seem to have preconceived notions as to what Tarzan is supposed to be. The Variety critic thinks that it's a live action remake of the Disney cartoon. Another can't understand why they call him John Clayton. One wonders why he doesn't have a secret identity.

Still looking forward to it.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79129 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:18 am to
the Samuel L. Jackson character was kinda pointless.

I won't try to spoil anything, but can tell you that the world knows that john clayton is tarzan and vice versa right off the bat.

I guess I don't know much or enough about tarzan to appreciate it. or maybe the movie's just not that good.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:22 am to
quote:

I won't try to spoil anything, but can tell you that the world knows that john clayton is tarzan and vice versa right off the bat.


That's been the character in the original books since day one.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:23 am to
It certainly doesn't look very good.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158757 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:35 am to
yeah I don't see this doing well

does tarzan have super strength? If not a gorilla would frick his world up.

Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79129 posts
Posted on 6/29/16 at 9:38 am to
quote:

If not a gorilla would frick his world up.
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