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re: The infamous "Martha" scene in Batman v. Superman
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:47 pm to Shiftyplus1
Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:47 pm to Shiftyplus1
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First off, Batman shouldn't be trying to kill anyone. He's Batman. I don't care how you rationalize it, Batman isn't the Punisher.
This is worth repeating.
frick Zack Snyder for bastardizing the two most famous Superheroes ever in world history.
If DC can't fire Zack Snyder after seeing what a success Wonder Woman had without that hack, the only thing they deserve is bullshite rotten tomatoes.
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Posted on 6/4/17 at 10:52 pm to Sentrius
Zack was all over that movie, he just wasn't the director.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:00 pm to Vergil
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Zack was all over that movie, he just wasn't the director.
Yeah, just like David Goyer was responsible for the Dark Knight or Nolan was responsible for Man of Steel. Sure there were some slow motion parts, but strong characters are not Snyder's thing.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:05 pm to OMLandshark
Maybe not, but there were several critical scenes that had his writing all over it like
Spoiler Alert:
The sacrifice scene.
Spoiler Alert:
The sacrifice scene.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:09 pm to Vergil
Ummm, no. I don't see it, especially with the aftermath good editing.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:12 pm to OMLandshark
The Winter Soldier scene? You're kidding, right? That is one of the shining examples of why that movie in general, and the TWS himself, is so weak. Let's see, we have the typical Hollywood "the higher rate of Fire a weapon has the fewer people actually get hit" syndrome. TWS, allegedly a super soldier and expert with weapons, completely eschews cover or concealment and walks down the middle of the street while dramatically reloading the weapon. And what the hell does his partner do while CA and the Winter Greaseball are squaring off in the street? There's no gunfire in the background. Apparently, both CA's and TWS' squad mates just ceased fighting and pulled up a lawn chair to enjoy the show. You mean during the "Who's Bucky?" exchange, neither set of teammates could have bothered to put a bullet in CA or TWS? And ScarJo just ran away? No assistance for Cap? Just fled?
That movie (and the continuing arc into Civil War) was enjoyable, but pretty much a mess. The praise it gets here kind of surprises me. The Etch-A-Sketch level CGI when the helicarrier crashes in the background of Cap's fight with Bucky at the end would have gotten the movie absolutely ravaged if it had been part of the DCEU.
That movie (and the continuing arc into Civil War) was enjoyable, but pretty much a mess. The praise it gets here kind of surprises me. The Etch-A-Sketch level CGI when the helicarrier crashes in the background of Cap's fight with Bucky at the end would have gotten the movie absolutely ravaged if it had been part of the DCEU.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:17 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I was talking about the retard on the board earlier today who disses Winter Soldier all the time but I forgot his name, so sorry for forgetting about you.
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:46 pm to bcoop199
quote:Wasn't Batman, just moments before, telling Superman that no matter what his parents told him, he wasn't special? I mean, as I recall, he was really getting into some nasty and ugly shite about that. Major league a-hole shite, that if it were placed into a Batman vs Deadshot fight (yeah I know, Suicide Squad sucks too
think most realized that's what they were trying to imply. The problem is the idea that Batman had never considered that before. He obviously knew that Superman had lived among people of Earth
), I'd want Will Smith to pop a cap on his arse. Too much out of character actions; first, for Batman to become so vile- he didn't decide on this action by saying Superman WAS bad, he was saying that he was too powerful and COULD become bad, and that was an unacceptable risk.
And then, when he's so far gone that he's mocking Superman instead of finishing him (doing the villain monologue), for him to have a change of heart. At that point, Batman had gone over to the Dark Side and was about to start killing younglings, he wasn't going to go "oh gee, this guy loves his mom, I better change my mind now". The time to have a change of heart was when Superman initially took everything and didn't fight, and was trying to still recruit his help. Might not have been the big battle scene, but it would have helped the movie's tone some... "damn, this guy really doesn't want to fight me despite my hitting him with all types of shite, maybe he's alright afterall".
Posted on 6/4/17 at 11:46 pm to OMLandshark
Well the trope is in a lot of his movies starting with Dawn of the Dead.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:29 am to Sentrius
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:46 pm to Breesus
Why did the get two downvotes and no discussion? I think it's a legitimately huge plot hole.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:42 pm to Sentrius
They could have put a little more effort in trying to humanize Superman to Batman. The Martha scene was not enough and seemed so basic and stupid in the moment of the movie. Any added info or expanded dialogue could have helped that scene.
It's just such a thin twist to this huge plot that either you have to change it to make it more believable or you don't make the movie.
It's just such a thin twist to this huge plot that either you have to change it to make it more believable or you don't make the movie.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:52 pm to jrowla2
And another thing. They make a point earlier to show that Superman can hear Lois across the city underwater barely breathing while he's mid fight.
He can't hear his mom yelling when she gets kidnapped?
He can't hear his mom yelling when she gets kidnapped?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 7:55 pm to Breesus
I mean Lex throws her off of his tower and Superman shows up there in costume before she's halfway down after screaming for about 2 seconds.
But he didn't save his mom when she screamed?
If he's that fast he couldn't grab the guy in the wheelchair or just the bomb before it killed everyone in the Senate hearing?
Lex says "If you kill me, Martha dies, or you fly away, Martha dies.
And Lex gives him an hour and then just leaves. And instead of going and getting her. He goes to fight Batman.
This movie is so fricking stupid
But he didn't save his mom when she screamed?
If he's that fast he couldn't grab the guy in the wheelchair or just the bomb before it killed everyone in the Senate hearing?
Lex says "If you kill me, Martha dies, or you fly away, Martha dies.
And Lex gives him an hour and then just leaves. And instead of going and getting her. He goes to fight Batman.
This movie is so fricking stupid
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:02 pm to Breesus
And why in the frick did neither Superman or Batman ever once check in on Lex. Do you know how much time and energy it would take for him to find the ship and zods body and build the tank he made abomination in, etc.... And they never go check in him?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:05 pm to Breesus
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If he's that fast he couldn't grab the guy in the wheelchair or just the bomb before it killed everyone in the Senate hearing?
Or noticed it the second he walked in? He could either see the bomb, or he couldn't see it which means it is covered in lead, thus also basically confirming it's a bomb.
I mean the Justice League TV series did something similar to this. Lex Luthor was hosting a fundraiser for children that would be a grand reveal of something great for the city, and he wanted Superman to attend. He reluctantly does after the League's insistence. He notices that there's a lead infused "bomb" under the event. Lex tells Superman that it's a fusion Kryptonite reaction chamber which will give free energy to everyone in Metropolis, and he lined it with lead to protect Superman from a radiation leak. Superman doesn't buy it, ruins the whole event, and then finds Luthor was telling the truth.
Of course Luthor planned for all this to destroy Superman, but why couldn't he have done something similar to this? It makes Superman look like a maniacal a-hole and Luthor maintains his good image.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:05 pm to Breesus
THEN Superman just tries to reason with Batman, who won't listen because the movie is retarded, so he fights him.
Why not just pin Batman down and make him listen to you?
Why not just pin Batman down and make him listen to you?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:07 pm to Breesus
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THEN Superman just tries to reason with Batman, who won't listen because the movie is retarded, so he fights him.
Why not just pin Batman down and make him listen to you?
Please watch this review. You will love it. It's much like the Plinkett reviews minus the ridiculous caricature: NSFW
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:08 pm to OMLandshark
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Or noticed it the second he walked in? He could either see the bomb, or he couldn't see it which means it is covered in lead, thus also basically confirming it's a bomb.
See I agree with this. But I noticed as I am watching this absolute train wreck on HBO right now, that they actually address. They say he was distracted and not looking for it. But as soon as it went off his reflexes should've allowed him to minamilize the damage. Either get the wheelchair guy out of there or ice breathe the explosion.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 8:13 pm to OMLandshark
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Please watch this review. You will love it. It's much like the Plinkett reviews minus the ridiculous caricature: LINK
Why is Batman trying to murder him. I just watched the scene where he hits him with some cryptonite, bashes his skull with a sink so he's unconscious, and then throws him down an entire building, then picks him up and swings him threw a concrete wall. He doesn't know shite about Superman or how he would be affected, so for all he knows, all of those things could've killed him, then he gets the spear to finish him off. I mean what the frick.
And on the note of that spear. After all the research and everything he just throws that spear away like it's trash for no reason where anyone could find it and use it.
I hate this movie. Why am I rewatching it? Every scene is fricking terrible.
The Martha name just happened.
Hahaha ha and then Lois runs in and just calls him Clark. Dumb bitch ruining his secret identity.
Superman was ready to murder Batman, destroy his own ideals, and jeopardize everything to save his mom. Then Batman says he'll get her and Superman is like oh OK. Thanks. I'm out.
Again, he's faster than frick in this movie. He could've saved her.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 8:16 pm
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