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re: The Flash Season 3 Thread
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:48 am to STEVED00
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:48 am to STEVED00
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I also think they wouldn't have reminded us of the face swapping tech again this episode had they not intended to use it for this.
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who would actually sacrifice their life to save Iris
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Joe and he was standing right there on the rooftop
New Theory..............
I the past few episodes, and especially this one, HR has been frustrated that he doesn't serve any purpose to the team. To further this feeling, he felt like he is the reason Iris is going to die because he revealed that she was on Earth 2. When he told Cisco goodbye, he obviously said it with the intentions of never seeing Cisco again.
If I'm not mistaken, the imaging tech was developed by Earth 2 Harrison Wells. So it wouldn't be that hard to get a second one.
And finally there was a big difference in past episodes scenes which showed Iris getting killed and this episodes. I may be wrong, but I thought it was HR on the rooftop with the laser gun. In this episode, it was Joe. So where is HR??
So my new theory is that since HR felt like he wanted to contribute to the team and make up for revealing where Iris was located, he used the imaging tech to look like Iris. This would explain why it was Joe on the rooftop and not HR. Also, every season has a different version of Wells. So it would make sense that they would need to get rid of HR.
The problem with this theory is how HR is able to substitute himself with Iris without Salvatar or the other team members knowing.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:50 am to GreenTiger12
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HR gave that whole speech about not helping. Agree with why else use that face swapping gizmo if not to remind us it exists. HR somehow swapped with Iris, and speed cannon girl takes his place on the team.
Beat me to it.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:11 am to Darkknight
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So my new theory is that since HR felt like he wanted to contribute to the team and make up for revealing where Iris was located
I have a question about this: Cisco wanted to forgive HR because he was tricked into telling Savitar where Iris was and that it could have happened to anybody. Wouldn't telling the real Barry accomplish the same thing since they share memories? What I'm trying to say is the mistake was telling Barry at all, regardless if he was Savitar or not. So I feel less sympathy.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:14 am to Esquire
I thought the same thing as soon as HR said where Iris was located. But I think that's part of his character, speaking before he thinks about it. Which is one of the things he realizes he has a problem with.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:16 am to Esquire
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Wouldn't telling the real Barry accomplish the same thing since they share memories?
Never mind, I get what you are saying now. Even if that had been real Barry, HR shouldn't have told him where Iris really was.
And I agree with HR, I still don't understand what he really contributes to the team. He's pretty useless.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:48 am to Puck82
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Well it wasn't the season finale.
Wish it was, but I'm sure most people want a happy ending.
They could have left it there as a cliffhanger until next season, would've been my preference.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:52 am to Bamatab
quote:maybe they thought it would be easier for us to accept if he sacrifices himself for iris because he really adds nothing to the team.
And I agree with HR, I still don't understand what he really contributes to the team. He's pretty useless.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:17 am to StickD
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They could have left it there as a cliffhanger until next season, would've been my preference.
I could agree on Iris' death, but having no resolution on Savitar after waiting so long for his reveal would have been really poor choice IMO.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:27 am to Esquire
They'll wrap it up in a bow.
HR sacrifices himself. Another Wells comes back next season and has the same chemistry with Tracy.
Iris lives, Savitar perishes.
HR sacrifices himself. Another Wells comes back next season and has the same chemistry with Tracy.
Iris lives, Savitar perishes.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:31 am to StickD
Hopefully next season they find someone else besides a speedster to be the big bad of the season.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:39 am to StickD
I don't know if this has been covered, but Cisco said in 3x21, I think, that Savitar's creation/existence is a closed loop, no beginning, no end. So, there's always a Savitar trapped in the Speed Force PLUS a Time Remnant who becomes Savitar, so I have two questions. One, shouldn't there always be a Savitar that is trapped in the Speed Force as well as a Savitar free from the Speed force, that is, the time remnant who goes back & creates himself each time?
But the bigger question is this: if he exists in a closed loop then shouldn't his destiny always be to wind up trapped in the speed force, in which case, how can he ever "ascend?" I admit, I haven't watched last night's episode yet, but browsing fricking YouTube ruined what happened, so I'm not in a rush.
Also, again maybe they covered this last night, but doesn't it seem out of character for Barry and the rest of the team to have "shunned" the time remnant, which leads to him becoming Savitar? He was either normal, in which case I can't see how they would have shunned him and pushed him away, or he was already kind of crazy and represented a threat, however if that's the case they wouldn't just let him run off to do his own thing and since he has yet to become Savitar and acquire the suit at that point it's not like he'd be able to stop Barry and the team from either capturing, or killing, him.
Of course, this is all moot because Barry needs to get over his sister-crush and go back to Patty. I say Savitar is doing him a favor.
Also, as for HR posing as Iris, that's fine with me. While HR had some funny moments, he was never as cool as Season 2 Wells and DEFINITELY never touched S1's Thawne portraying Wells, who is probably the best character this show's ever had. So, if we get a new Wells who is closer to the first 2 season's iterations of Wells that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
I worry that Flash hit it's peak season 1 and is just going to go downhill here on out.
But the bigger question is this: if he exists in a closed loop then shouldn't his destiny always be to wind up trapped in the speed force, in which case, how can he ever "ascend?" I admit, I haven't watched last night's episode yet, but browsing fricking YouTube ruined what happened, so I'm not in a rush.
Also, again maybe they covered this last night, but doesn't it seem out of character for Barry and the rest of the team to have "shunned" the time remnant, which leads to him becoming Savitar? He was either normal, in which case I can't see how they would have shunned him and pushed him away, or he was already kind of crazy and represented a threat, however if that's the case they wouldn't just let him run off to do his own thing and since he has yet to become Savitar and acquire the suit at that point it's not like he'd be able to stop Barry and the team from either capturing, or killing, him.
Of course, this is all moot because Barry needs to get over his sister-crush and go back to Patty. I say Savitar is doing him a favor.
Also, as for HR posing as Iris, that's fine with me. While HR had some funny moments, he was never as cool as Season 2 Wells and DEFINITELY never touched S1's Thawne portraying Wells, who is probably the best character this show's ever had. So, if we get a new Wells who is closer to the first 2 season's iterations of Wells that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
I worry that Flash hit it's peak season 1 and is just going to go downhill here on out.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:51 am to StickD
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Wish it was, but I'm sure most people want a happy ending.
They could have left it there as a cliffhanger until next season, would've been my preference.
Nah. If that happens then you end the storyline the same way you began it with Iris dying.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:17 am to ipodking
Wtf is gonna be the cliffhanger next week?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:20 am to Darkknight
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While on Earth 2, iris gave Joe her ring. In past episodes was she wearing it the night died? I can't remembering.
They weren't engaged in the original scenario, which what led Barry to propose to Iris
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:21 am to Fus0623
quote:I don't get why a cliffhanger is required. I'd rather shite just go sideways in S04E01
Wtf is gonna be the cliffhanger next week?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:24 am to Bamatab
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Hopefully next season they find someone else besides a speedster to be the big bad of the season.
Arthur Light would be a great non-speedster villain, as would having more of Grodd, or the entire roster of the Rogues.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 12:43 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
They've already said this is the last speedster big bad.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:15 pm to Esquire
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Cisco wanted to forgive HR because he was tricked into telling Savitar where Iris was and that it could have happened to anybody. Wouldn't telling the real Barry accomplish the same thing since they share memories? What I'm trying to say is the mistake was telling Barry at all, regardless if he was Savitar or not. So I feel less sympathy.
That bothered me a lot. It didn't matter at all that it was savitar. Either way it was stupid to tell him.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:18 pm to UMRealist
Also, since we heard that the time remnants didn't work, why can't Barry just not make time remnants. This is a necessary part of the cycle and only Barry can do it. And he doesn't have to since it didn't work. And even if he did make him, just by accepting him he could stop savitar.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:21 pm to lagallifrey
Like Savitar said, cause and effect is a tricky thing when you are a time traveler.
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