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re: The Dark Knight (The 2nd movie)
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:33 am to SJS Eagle 85
Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:33 am to SJS Eagle 85
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FWIW-For all the optimists that believed Hathaway's Catwoman could be akin to Ledger's Joker...you lose.
Seriously...who said anything along those lines? I want names.
Eta: fwiw I think she did an awesome job.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 11:21 am
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 10:45 am to SJS Eagle 85
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FWIW-For all the optimists that believed Hathaway's Catwoman could be akin to Ledger's Joker...you lose.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:12 am to CBandits82
SPOILERS...
I go TDK followed by TDKR then BB
My major problem with TDKR was pacing. Started a bit slow and muddled for the first 1.5 hours. A couple of scenes took too long to develop. Then everything speeds the frick up after Bruce leaves the underground prison. Basically the revelation of Talia, death of Bane, resolution of the crisis in Gotham happen within a 15 minute span, when it took 2.5 hours to set everything up.
Otherwise i thought the story was well done for the most part, and acting was on point
I go TDK followed by TDKR then BB
My major problem with TDKR was pacing. Started a bit slow and muddled for the first 1.5 hours. A couple of scenes took too long to develop. Then everything speeds the frick up after Bruce leaves the underground prison. Basically the revelation of Talia, death of Bane, resolution of the crisis in Gotham happen within a 15 minute span, when it took 2.5 hours to set everything up.
Otherwise i thought the story was well done for the most part, and acting was on point
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:15 am to BugAC
I've gotta watch it again, but to me TDK is sort of an oddity. I love the film, but in terms of the trilogy, it doesn't do much for the overall story. Still, bad arse movie is bad arse.
My ranking (will probably change once the new movie magic wears off):
TDKR
TDK
BB
My ranking (will probably change once the new movie magic wears off):
TDKR
TDK
BB
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:17 am to BugAC
I rank them:
1) TDK
2) BB
3) TDKR
I was pretty negatively impressed by the ending to the TDKR though. Most of the movie was stronger than that and it went from what I thought was a perfect ending to the kind of ending you get in a lot of superhero movies
ATT: fanboys - I don't care to debate the ending if you loved it. I'm happy for you if you liked the ending or thought everything in the movie was exactly as it should have been.
1) TDK
2) BB
3) TDKR
I was pretty negatively impressed by the ending to the TDKR though. Most of the movie was stronger than that and it went from what I thought was a perfect ending to the kind of ending you get in a lot of superhero movies
ATT: fanboys - I don't care to debate the ending if you loved it. I'm happy for you if you liked the ending or thought everything in the movie was exactly as it should have been.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:18 am to PortCityTiger24
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as most people thought she would suck. She did an awesome job.
This. Never heard ANYONE compare hathaway to ledger. I hated hathaway before this movie. I thought she would be an awful choice. But she did a very good job, IMO.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:19 am to BugAC
My buddy asked me to rank them the other night. Might be a cop out but I cant rate them. I like a three of them a really really lot. I could have a different order every day of the week.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:27 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Posted by iwyLSUiwy My buddy asked me to rank them the other night. Might be a cop out but I cant rate them. I like a three of them a really really lot. I could have a different order every day of the week.
I feel the exact same. All three have great qualities and not so great ones, but they are all excellent films.
Ps, is it weird that the part that frustrated me the most in TDKR was the nuclear bomb explosion? So you're telling me that a 12 megaton atom bomb with a 6 mile blast radius explodes within view of the shoreline, but there was no nuclear fallout? No radiation to Gotham? That explosion would have also created a massive tsunami that would have wiped out Gotham. It just really bothered me
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:29 am to BugAC
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1) Character development was not in that movie.
a) The "love" story between Dent and Rachel, was non-existant. When Rachel dies, you feel nothing for Dent, because they did not develop the relationship.
b) The town "hating" batman. You get the idea, why they hate him, but Nolan does a shitty job of convincing you why. Not to mention the acting is pretty bad when anyone tries to express hate for Batman in that movie.
c) Harvey Dent being convinced by the Joker to "bring chaos". Dent's motivation just seems childish. That one conversation with the Joker is enough to turn Dent into a bad guy, and forgive the joker? Then, he starts whining about what's "fair". Really bad character development. Also, 2 face was a pretty big character in the batman saga, yet he is on screen for maybe 20 minutes before he dies of a broken neck. Anti-climactic.
d) The "love story" between bruce and rachel kind of gets lost in the movie. And it seems forced when Bruce talks about it.
2) BAD ACTING. Gylenhaal was awful. Eckhart wasn't that great, and Bale's performance was bad in that movie.
We can sit here and find plot hole in every movie. Like I said in an earlier post TDKR was very good but not great.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
They are all amazing, but I think Begins is the best. Wayne training under Ras al Gul and him accepting his fear and becoming Batman was incredible. Origin stories are tough to do, and Nolan nailed it.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:32 am to Patrick O Rly
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I've gotta watch it again, but to me TDK is sort of an oddity. I love the film, but in terms of the trilogy, it doesn't do much for the overall story. Still, bad arse movie is bad arse.
Ya, obviously that is because of Ledger's death. You really could almost put 1 and 3 together as a movie and 2 as a standalone. Really all 2 gives you for 3 is why is Batman in exile and why is Rachel dead, since the Joker is not referenced once in TDKR.
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Thought Hardy nailed and did a great job.
I love Hardy, but, correct me if I am wrong, but how hard is it to "act" when your voice is going to sound basically the same no matter what you do because it is being "modulated?"
For example, James Earl Jones as Vader. He is either gonna talk calmly, change his speech pattern, or yell, but a lot of the little voice inflections that make a good actor are lost because the voice is being manipulated regardless of the input put into it.
I do hope Hardy gets more and more movies, the guy is an absolute beast in every thing I've seen him in.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:37 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Hardy's physical acting was still great - but your point on the voice modification is legit IMO and something I raised earlier in the thread
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:46 am to BugAC
Strongly disagree. The Dark Knight is easily my favorite of the three.
If I made a list of my top 10 favorite scenes from the 3 movies, I think at least 6 of them would be from the Dark Knight.
If I made a list of my top 10 favorite scenes from the 3 movies, I think at least 6 of them would be from the Dark Knight.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:55 am to EyeOfTheTiger311
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So you're telling me that a 12 megaton atom bomb with a 6 mile blast radius explodes within view of the shoreline
Could have sworn that they said it was 1 megaton.
I had just watched Trinity and Beyond on Netflix before as well.. (didnt even know there was a nuke in TDKR) However the explosion they had seemed to match what was shown for a 1megaton nuke but what it would look like 40 seconds afterwards. There was no real fireball of note shown.
Image of a real 1megaton bomb
Seems pretty close to me
As for as a tsunami is concerned we already know that a nuclear explosion would not cause one outside the immediate area that is already in the kill zone.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:04 pm to BugAC
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2) BAD ACTING. Gylenhaal was awful.
Explains
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a) The "love" story between Dent and Rachel, was non-existant
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d) The "love story" between bruce and rachel kind of gets lost in the movie.
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c) Harvey Dent being convinced by the Joker to "bring chaos". Dent's motivation just seems childish. That one conversation with the Joker is enough to turn Dent into a bad guy, and forgive the joker? Then, he starts whining about what's "fair". Really bad character development.
I somewhat agree. But it wasn't just "One Conversation" that did this. He was falling apart long before that. He almost shot the jokers thug in the alley. He was losing his shite before that. He was mad about losing Rachel as well. But I agree he was being a bitch
I rate them as
DK
DKR
BB
and I plan on seeing DKR again and it may take number 1
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Might be a cop out but I cant rate them. I like a three of them a really really lot. I could have a different order every day of the week.
Also this, after reading this thread I can agree with almost every point made.
But about DKR
I loved Hardy as Bane and Hathaway was great as well
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:28 pm to BugAC
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c) Harvey Dent being convinced by the Joker to "bring chaos". Dent's motivation just seems childish. That one conversation with the Joker is enough to turn Dent into a bad guy, and forgive the joker? Then, he starts whining about what's "fair". Really bad character development. Also, 2 face was a pretty big character in the batman saga, yet he is on screen for maybe 20 minutes before he dies of a broken neck. Anti-climactic.
Motherfrickin this, oh I'm the best guy in the city, crime sucks, oh my poor girlfriend.. Wait what's that guy who killed her? You're just a "mad dog"? Oh well ok then, imma go kill people now.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:35 pm to Catman88
it was a 5 megaton atom bomb that had a 36 mile blast radius or some such BS.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:39 pm to Patrick O Rly
I actually felt that Batman wouldn't win in this one.
There were several points where I genuinely felt that the "good guys" would not win.
I didn't feel that in either of the first two.
There were several points where I genuinely felt that the "good guys" would not win.
I didn't feel that in either of the first two.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 12:41 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
He didn't forgive the Joker; he flipped the coin to decide whether or not to kill him, as two-face does.
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