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re: Star Trek: TOS Watchers - Season 1 Wrapup *Page 25*
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:13 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:13 am to Ace Midnight
I do remember Harlan Ellison speaking to us at Centenary College, and I got to sit next to him when we went out to eat, but I can't remember exactly what he said about this episode. He was acerbic, to be sure, but a large part of his talk was about how people actually believed the characters on TV were real characters, and not actors. He recalled a run-in that Dan Blocker had with a fan who absolutely refused to believe that he was a fricking actor. 
But all I remember him saying about Star Trek is Leonard Nimoy being accosted by fans asking questions about Spock, in a similar way as Dan Blocker was, and something about the dishonesty of TV producers and he referenced COTEOF. I think his voice lowered at this point as he addressed people in the front row and I missed a lot. I wish I could remember more.
He was quite a character, and up to that point I had only read I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream, and A Boy And His Dog. His personality very much fit the angry voice and caustic demeanor that he wrote in. His collection of essays, An Edge In My Voice, is great.
But all I remember him saying about Star Trek is Leonard Nimoy being accosted by fans asking questions about Spock, in a similar way as Dan Blocker was, and something about the dishonesty of TV producers and he referenced COTEOF. I think his voice lowered at this point as he addressed people in the front row and I missed a lot. I wish I could remember more.
He was quite a character, and up to that point I had only read I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream, and A Boy And His Dog. His personality very much fit the angry voice and caustic demeanor that he wrote in. His collection of essays, An Edge In My Voice, is great.
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:06 am to H-Town Tiger
It's interesting that this was the most expensive episode of the series. I would have thought one of the more effects-heavy episodes would have that title.
Pretty good acting by Kelly - he made a believable madman.
I know Ellison was upset with all the changes to his script, but I can't imagine a better ending to this episode.
Kirk's "Let's get the hell out of here" is a great closing line, too.
Pretty good acting by Kelly - he made a believable madman.
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The scene where Kirk and Spook find McCoy and Kirk stops McCoy from saving Edith is pretty powerful, one of TOS best.
I know Ellison was upset with all the changes to his script, but I can't imagine a better ending to this episode.
Kirk's "Let's get the hell out of here" is a great closing line, too.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:11 am to Master of Sinanju
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It's interesting that this was the most expensive episode of the series. I would have thought one of the more effects-heavy episodes would have that title.
That's true - while the average TOS episode cost about $190k, TCOTEOF cost almost a quarter of a million (just under $1.7 million today, adjusted for inflation).
Unless Joan Collins' fee was astronomical, I must assume that the construction of the Guardian set, as well as the all new interior sets, and redressing Culver City/40 Acres' exterior sets must have been quite expensive, and the fact they took almost 8 days to film probably drove increased costs as well.
Star Trek was fairly efficient at reusing stock effects, which helped keep the average costs down, somewhat, but costs ending up begin a big factor in cancellation, not quality or relative popularity of the product (a more modern example would be HBO's Rome).
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:44 am to Ace Midnight
Bump, because City on the Edge of Forever deserves it.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 2:53 pm to Master of Sinanju
Correct me if I'm wrong, bur wasn't that the first "curse" word spoken on network television?
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:04 pm to ELESHU23
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Correct me if I'm wrong, bur wasn't that the first "curse" word spoken on network television?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, bur wasn't that the first "curse" word spoken on network television?
It may have been the first use of "hell" purely as an expletive.
Clip from Episode
However, the word "hell" has already been used on Star Trek a couple of times - in Space Seed (quoting Milton) and Alternative Factor (Lazarus telling Anti-Lazarus he would chase him through the fires of hell). They would go to the "hell" well one more time in Doomsday Machine, when Decker describes the machine as "right out of hell".
Posted on 11/17/13 at 6:59 pm to Ace Midnight
Last call for The City on the Edge of Forever.
I will make another note at the end of the thread, but we only have Operation Annihilate left in Season 1, and I will probably start a new thread for Season 2.
I will make another note at the end of the thread, but we only have Operation Annihilate left in Season 1, and I will probably start a new thread for Season 2.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:16 am to Ace Midnight
*OPERATION ANNIHILATE*
Another story with a personal connection for Kirk. Alien nerve cells kill his brother and sister-in-law. He, Spock and McCoy must race to save over 1 million people from the mind-control effects, including Kirk's nephew - or be forced to kill the alien creatures, at the sacrifice of the colonists (and perhaps Kirk's nephew and the now-infected Mr. Spock), to stop their invasion at the Deneva Colony.
I enjoy this one more as I get older. Spock has to struggle with the creatures and almost takes over the ship. The deathbed acting by Joan Swift as Aurelan Kirk was pretty convincing, as she was the only non-crew guest star with any significant lines.
This show is great (and underrated for a lot of reasons.
First, it was the show being shot when the cast did this ad/gag:
Star Trek - Gillette Razors
Second, Maurishka was
as Yeoman Zahra
And finally, "Kirk" dies for the first time, as Shatner portrays his deceased brother (with a pornstache, no less), George Samuel Kirk (only Jim called him Sam):
Another story with a personal connection for Kirk. Alien nerve cells kill his brother and sister-in-law. He, Spock and McCoy must race to save over 1 million people from the mind-control effects, including Kirk's nephew - or be forced to kill the alien creatures, at the sacrifice of the colonists (and perhaps Kirk's nephew and the now-infected Mr. Spock), to stop their invasion at the Deneva Colony.
I enjoy this one more as I get older. Spock has to struggle with the creatures and almost takes over the ship. The deathbed acting by Joan Swift as Aurelan Kirk was pretty convincing, as she was the only non-crew guest star with any significant lines.
This show is great (and underrated for a lot of reasons.
First, it was the show being shot when the cast did this ad/gag:
Star Trek - Gillette Razors
Second, Maurishka was
as Yeoman Zahra And finally, "Kirk" dies for the first time, as Shatner portrays his deceased brother (with a pornstache, no less), George Samuel Kirk (only Jim called him Sam):
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/24/13 at 4:16 pm to Ace Midnight
Bump
Posted on 11/24/13 at 5:08 pm to Ace Midnight
One of the better episodes. Remember those little monsters freaking me out as a kid.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 11:56 am to prplhze2000
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One of the better episodes. Remember those little monsters freaking me out as a kid.
And the effects often get beat up, particularly by the younger generation, but these were fairly well done, especially for the time. The fact that a weekly television show was even attempting some of these things is admirable.
In any case, there is no question that TOS' effects were to facilitate storytelling, rather than effects for the sake of doing effects.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 12:59 pm to Ace Midnight
actually I think this is where they might have gotten the idea for the borg and the hive.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 5:52 pm to Ace Midnight
Cool episode, thought the last-minute, newly revealed "inner eyelid" or whatever it was called was a little too easy an out to save Spock's sight, but of course TOS frequently relied on similar methods.
"George Samuel Kirk - only you call him Sam."
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George Samuel Kirk (only Jim called him Sam)
"George Samuel Kirk - only you call him Sam."
Posted on 11/26/13 at 6:56 am to Thunder Tiger
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Cool episode, thought the last-minute, newly revealed "inner eyelid" or whatever it was called was a little too easy an out to save Spock's sight, but of course TOS frequently relied on similar methods.
At least it was creative - unlike the first couple of seasons of TNG when the writers got to Act III and just said, "Eff it - Wesley saves everybody."
Posted on 11/26/13 at 8:30 am to Ace Midnight
Nimoy delivered another great performance as Spock dealing with the incredible pain of the creature. The line "I am free of it and the pain. And I'm also quite blind. An equitable trade, doctor. Thank you." was delivered perfectly.
Don't mess with Scotty.
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Freeze right there, Mister Spock. Or I'll put you to sleep for sure
Don't mess with Scotty. Posted on 11/26/13 at 8:36 am to Master of Sinanju
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Don't mess with Scotty.
It was kind of cool to see Spock overpower the entire bridge crew - we had seen him one-on-one be very strong, but Nimoy was never very physically imposing or particularly convincing in the fist fight scenes (with exceptions, like when he fought Kirk in This Side of Paradise, that was pretty good). The nerve pinch was very appropriate to the character and race, and that served him well.
However, this scene, right before Scotty threatens him demonstrates how physically capable Vulcans are - we really didn't see much of that again until Tuvok in Voyager (I know it is maligned but Russ and Picardo, particularly, are very fine actors - they - Tuvok and the Doctor - are reasons to watch Voyager, even if you aren't crazy about the gal captain, first officer Tonto, or the other misfits.)
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/2/13 at 8:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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I will make another note at the end of the thread, but we only have Operation Annihilate left in Season 1, and I will probably start a new thread for Season 2.
As promised - for those that participated in this thread - here is a last chance for comments on Season 1 - some say the strongest season, episode-for-episode of the 3 total. Certainly we've covered some of my favorites.
Although I don't want to jump ahead too much, we have, just in the first half of Season 2:
30 "Catspaw"
31 "Metamorphosis"
32 "Friday's Child"
33 "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
34 "Amok Time"
35 "The Doomsday Machine"
36 "Wolf in the Fold"
37 "The Changeling"
38 "The Apple"
39 "Mirror, Mirror"
40 "The Deadly Years"
41 "I, Mudd"
42 "The Trouble With Tribbles"
So there are lots of great moments ahead. Be patient and I hope to have the thread up by Sunday, December 8.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 8:01 am to Ace Midnight
One last bump for Season 1.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 10:27 am to Ace Midnight
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Season 1 - some say the strongest season, episode-for-episode of the 3 total.
I have to agree. It was a great season. They consistently produced great episode after episode. Only "The Alternative Factor" and perhaps "Miri" would be considered misses in my book.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 2:44 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Only "The Alternative Factor" and perhaps "Miri" would be considered misses in my book.
I always liked Miri (although not my favorite), but The Alternative Factor has grown on me over the years. I think it was a successful failure - the execution was doomed by the last minute cast change - but the story was solid, and I can appreciate the effort everyone put into it - the number of times Lazarus falls and hurts himself is a little comical, but the essence of what makes Star Trek great was still contained in the final product.
There are weaker episodes on the horizon, particularly in Season 3, but I have enjoyed this discussion, thus far.
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