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re: 'Sound of Freedom' scores 92% Rotten Tomatoes rating ahead of July 4 premiere

Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:28 pm to
I'm not really discussing the movie, though...
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:37 pm to
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I can tell you right now that JFK is a bull shite movie


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that I have seen


Tell me more.

You and nurse have no idea the accuracy of the movie because you haven’t seen it or done any honest due diligence to review the plot of the movie. It’s being highly rated by critics and audiences fwiw. You both are just as shameful as the weirdos you’re arguing with. You aren’t virtuous, in fact you’re the opposite. To invalidate child-sex trafficking in the form of kidnapping by trying to force others to only care about the voluntary child-sex labor is ludicrous. You could argue for both if you had any integrity at all.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:40 pm to
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To invalidate child-sex trafficking in the form of kidnapping by trying to force others to only care about the voluntary child-sex labor is ludicrous.

Nothing is "invalidated". One is extremely rare and impossible to predict and the other is something where we can make progress and probably 99% of cases.

Now I am invalidating the meme that the abduction variety is not rare.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted by Artificial Intel
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:42 pm to
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the other is something where we can make progress and probably 99% of cases.


How and to what end? Or are you just responding emotionally just as you accused others?
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:51 pm to
Anytime the child sex trade is discussed, SFP will jump in to run interference by pretending it is rare and basically nonexistent.

It's one of those "protests too much" sort of situations.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:53 pm to
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How and to what end?

Attacking the source of the problem (primarily shite parents/households and working to protect runaways so they're not homeless with no legal economic path) and then working with minors who have fallen into the trap of sex work to get out.

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Or are you just responding emotionally

Nothing I have said is emotional.

Targeting the super majority population that you can actually affect is as rational and logical as it gets.

It's funny this same analysis was called cold and unemotional on the poli board but is now emotional here.

This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 2:59 pm to
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Attacking the source of the problem (primarily shite parents/households and working to protect runaways so they're not homeless with no legal economic path) and then working with minors who have fallen into the trap of sex work to get out.


So a theoretical utopian solution. That’s why I used “emotional”. What hard solutions do you have? Seems like the guy in the movie has gotten more results in a subset of the population than you ever will with your utopian paradise solution to solve something that you said would improve 99% of cases.

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Targeting the super majority population that you can actually effect is as rational and logical as it gets.


But you have nothing. Nothing actionable. Your just emotionally arguing based on “war on drugs”.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:06 pm to
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So a theoretical utopian solution

Actually no, the opposite.

Targeting the population that is the largest while being the most able to be helped is the rational approach. You actually kind of showed the theoretical, utopian solution in one of your rants:

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. You aren’t virtuous, in fact you’re the opposite. To invalidate child-sex trafficking in the form of kidnapping by trying to force others to only care about the voluntary child-sex labor is ludicrous


You didn't like the fact I wanted to focus on one group primarily, which is exactly why it's not utopian. You even had to create a strawman where you claimed I was "invalidating" something because it made you feel bad.

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But you have nothing. Nothing actionable.

To do this? Sure I do. I even posted about things you could do and then re-posted/supported an agency you can support who does great work.

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Your just emotionally arguing

Cite your work.

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based on “war on drugs”.

Oh no that's the political rational for why "human trafficking" is so popular in the common vernacular.

But I already promised I wouldn't discuss that.
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:12 pm to
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Anytime the child sex trade is discussed, SFP will jump in to run interference by pretending it is rare and basically nonexistent.

It's one of those "protests too much" sort of situations.



Well, he has certainly ruined this thread, that's for sure.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 3:19 pm to
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Anytime the child sex trade is discussed, SFP will jump in to run interference by pretending it is rare and basically nonexistent.

Depends on how you define the words.

Lots of obfuscation in this area which is why I pop in to educate people who rely on tweets and screencap mashes.

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It's one of those "protests too much" sort of situations.

Yes. Why ignore the truth when fantasy is much more fun?
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 5:10 pm to
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Targeting the population that is the largest while being the most able to be helped is the rational approach.


You aren’t saying anything tangible. Just regurgitating a string of words stemming from an emotionally charged sentiment. You’ve contributed absolutely nothing. Yet, Tim Ballard actually rescued children. You are so upset that you have come off as illogical no matter how many times you try to portray your argument as logical.

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You didn't like the fact I wanted to focus on one group primarily, which is exactly why it's not utopian. You even had to create a strawman where you claimed I was "invalidating" something because it made you feel bad


No. I didn’t like the fact you and nurse called a movie you’ve never seen or did honest due diligence on, BS. Yet you’re in this movie thread being emotional about it because “war on drugs”. Also, you feel like it was a strawman because you can’t see how illogical and dishonest you are being. I can’t help you with that. You did your hardest to move the spotlight instead of making an honest plea to share the spotlight.

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To do this? Sure I do. I even posted about things you could do and then re-posted/supported an agency you can support who does great work.


Those things have existed and will continue to exist but somehow we haven’t seen a “improvement in 99% of the cases”. You don’t have anything feasible to contribute to make your case.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:01 pm to
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In a review for Variety, Owen Gleiberman said that "you needn’t hold extreme beliefs to experience 'Sound of Freedom' as a compelling movie that shines an authentic light on one of the crucial criminal horrors of our time


frick this guy and his smug arse attitude toward “extremist beliefs.”
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
2827 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:12 pm to
Holy Moly. You are still trying to make the Pedo
epidemic a right wing fantasy.

You are an incredible shite heel.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:16 pm to
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. Just regurgitating a string of words stemming from an emotionally charged sentiment.

What emotions?

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No. I didn’t like the fact you and nurse called a movie you’ve never seen or did honest due diligence on, BS.

Again, I haven't commented on the movie itself

I'm talking about the moral panic surrounding the theme of the movie.

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Those things have existed and will continue to exist but somehow we haven’t seen a “improvement in 99% of the cases”.

That's because the issue is pervasive. Runaways going into prostitutions has been a societal meme since society has existed.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:52 pm to
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Holy Moly. You are still trying to make the Pedo
epidemic a right wing fantasy.

You are an incredible shite heel.


Y'all should just ignore him. He embarrasses himself in every thread on this topic. He's not worth engaging about it.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:57 pm to
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He embarrasses himself in every thread on this topic.

I'm pretty much the only person ITT who posted any legitimate data on the subject, which led to hissy fits due to not conforming to preconceived and political beliefs
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:29 pm to
SlowFlowPedo
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:14 am to
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Young people are not being kidnapped, in any significant population, into sex slavery where they're moved across the world or are part of occult/demonic rituals. There aren't conspiracies and sex cults

Well alright then, after reading what you’ve written, I’m relieved.

I thought we were dealing with a multi-billion dollar industry that has caught and passed the illegal arms trade, and is going to pass the illegal drug trade. Very comforting also to hear from you that the numbers of children being kidnapped, the “actual children being violated”, is not a “significant population”.

So I’ll know for the future, how many more children need to be kidnapped and abused before we can correctly use “significant population”?


Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48207 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:22 am to
“preconceived political beliefs “


This is your answer right here. He believes sex trafficking reflects poorly on his political idols and to him that is more important than the actual criminal enterprise or the victims it claims.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:02 am to
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The writer wants to imply that the unfair treatment of LGBT youth is the reason they’re targeted for trafficking. I You have this wrong. They become sex workers because they become homeless. Almost all minors who are homeless on their own do so because of unstable home life. LGBTQ children are more likely to face unstable home lives. They're not targeted because they're LGBTQ. They become available to sex work because they're homeless (because they're LGBTQ).


You’re missing my point.

The author implies that the unfair treatment of LGBT youth leads them to be homeless and pushed into this life due to unfair treatment by society. It’s a jab at our society and how we treat LGBT youth.

My argument is that why should being LGBT be considered any differently than being an addict or schizophrenic or otherwise mentally disabled because they all lead to the same homelessness and vulnerable to sexual trafficking ? Why should one condition be celebrated and the others be something that needs to be treated?

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