re: Snyder talks BvS, takes shot at Marvel

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"It is m?r? mythi?, it is m?r? gr?nd in th?t w?y, ?nd it is ? littl? m?r? r??listi?," the actor said of this approach to the DC Cinematic Universe. "Just by th?ir n?tur?, th?s? films ??n’t b? ?s funny ?r ?s qui?k ?nd ?s glib ?s M?rv?l m?vi?s."

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some more comments from Snyder. FWIW, I agree with him, the "destruction" criticisms of MOS were pretty silly IMHO.

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As with nearly every highly anticipated movie these days, Man of Steel fell victim to plenty of nitpicking. Some of it was warranted, while some of it got a little too intense. While Superman’s decision to kill was certainly controversial, many also took issue with the level of collateral damage that Superman’s final battle with General Zod elicited. Some argued that Superman should’ve known better, while others maintained that this was the young superhero’s first battle in a major metropolitan area, and he thus was inexperienced.

Ahead of next week’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Comic-Con panel, where fans are sure to get an extended sneak preview at the Man of Steel follow-up, someone else has come forward defending the third act set piece of the 2011 Superman reboot: director Zack Snyder.

“I was surprised because that’s the thesis of Superman for me, that you can’t just have superheroes knock around and have there be no consequences.”

Indeed, the filmmaker maintains that the plan was always to address that destruction in the follow-up film, and Ben Affleck said this was one of the aspects of Batman v Superman that attracted him to the project, adding that the Man of Steel finale has personal repercussions for Bruce Wayne:

“One of the things I liked was Zack’s idea of showing accountability and the consequences of violence and seeing that there are real people in those buildings. And in fact, one of those buildings was Bruce Wayne’s building so he knew people who died in that Black Zero event.”

But back to the destruction in Man of Steel, Snyder addressed how his film’s third act battle differs to those portrayed in other superhero movies in a not-so-thinly-veiled dig at Marvel:

“There are other superhero movies where they joke about how basically no one’s getting hur. That’s not us. What is that message? That’s it’s okay that there’s this massive destruction with zero consequence for anyone? That’s what Watchmen was about in a lot of ways too. There was a scene, that scene where Dan and Laurie get mugged. They beat up the criminals. I was like the first guy, I want to show his arm get broken. I want a compound fracture. I don’t want it to be clean. I want you to go, ‘Oh my God, I guess you’re right. If you just beat up a guy in an alley he’s not going to just be lying on the ground. It’s going to be messy.”

Batman isn’t the only other major DC Comics character making its “DC Movie Universe” debut in Batman v Superman. The film also introduces Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman, and Snyder tells EW that the character is integral to this film and beyond:

“She plays a super-important part. In a lot of ways, she’s the gateway drug to ?the rest of the ?Justice League.”

Snyder reflected on the villain search for the Man of Steel sequel—before it was a Batman v Superman movie—and teased appearances to come:

“I remember talking about ‘What’s the next villain? ‘We can’t do another alien invasion.’ Brainiac was definitely down the road. Metallo, I think, was going to be the main bad guy of this movie.

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People's argument will always be that they don't want "real". They want "fun." And if it's real (or dark), then it's not fun or enjoyable. That's fine, but it's only their opinion, not a fact. Not everyone agrees with that. I enjoy both sides of the spectrum. This notion that comic movies are suppose to be nothing but fun with no seriousness is such bullshite. There are all kinds of different superheros with many incarnations. Marvel has even brought us some "dark" and "real" stories as of late. Personally I enjoy all different takes and I'm excited that we get them.

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What you never seem to get about the "dark" MoS arguments is that people don't knock Man of Steel because it's dark. And they don't NOT like it because it tries to be dark.

The problem is that Man of Steel doesn't really earn the tone that it seems to want to portray. Much like Watchmen, Snyder completely whiffs on what "being dark, realistic and meaningful" really is.

And this goes to the level of violence in the film, which was much more comic book like. Again, you think don't like the amount of destruction, and that's never it either. It's that the film is completely incongruent to what it's really built to be. It really wants to be this "dark and realistic film with mythic connotations," but it ends up extremely shallow but decently good fun that can't be enjoyed because it tries to shuck all of that throughout the film.

That comment from the article is spot the heck on. He thinks that just because his movies try to be realistic that they can last forever in the cultural consciousness. That's patently ridiculous coming from someone that doesn't know how to make something truly meaningful.

Some people constantly whittle down arguments to simplistic terms:

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People's argument will always be that they don't want "real". They want "fun."

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See that's not true at all.

You almost had me. Had a nice long MOS response typed but I refuse to jump into this battle again.

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but I refuse to jump into this battle again.

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it's ok, join in. This battle will never cease, not until the next film comes out at least.

A live action version of JL: War would be epic.

No back stories. Just one big fricking fight fest from start to finish.

The usual masturbation in here. Have fun guys.

I'm looking forward to Batman V Superman.

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You almost had me. Had a nice long MOS response typed but I refuse to jump into this battle again.

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See above. It's not a battle about MoS, basically.