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SIAP: In Nolans' Batman universe....
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:53 pm
What do yall think would have happened after The Dark Knight if Ledger had not passed away? Everyone knows he was outstanding in that movie.
Sorry if this was a stupid question, but I was never big into comics when I was younger.
Sorry if this was a stupid question, but I was never big into comics when I was younger.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:58 pm to jac1280
From what I remember hearing, the basic idea would be the same but instead of Scarecrow's cameo it would've been the Joker
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:04 pm to MCSquared16
that would have been disappointing
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:39 pm to FlappingPierre
The joker and Harley would have released the crazies from arkham...
The third film is drastically different because of his death...
The third film is drastically different because of his death...
Posted on 9/29/15 at 6:58 pm to jac1280
First and foremost, Christopher Nolan didn't intend anything for a third film because The Dark Knight was written and filmed on its own and without any direct view toward a sequel. He didn't know if he'd want to make another one and it took a lot of convincing by Warner Bros. to get him to come back for the second film.
Christopher Nolan almost didn't come back to make a third film. He was very close to walking away completely after making The Dark Knight and returned only because of the long months spent by himself and David Goyer drafting a story that made him feel compelled to return and make a new film.
So Christopher Nolan did not intend for the Joker to appear in The Dark Knight Rises because he didn't have a specific intention to even make a third film at all, as the story for it only developed later on.
Christopher Nolan almost didn't come back to make a third film. He was very close to walking away completely after making The Dark Knight and returned only because of the long months spent by himself and David Goyer drafting a story that made him feel compelled to return and make a new film.
So Christopher Nolan did not intend for the Joker to appear in The Dark Knight Rises because he didn't have a specific intention to even make a third film at all, as the story for it only developed later on.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:17 pm to RollTide1987
Meh. I find it hard to believe the Joker wouldn't have been heavily involved after he tells Batman they are destined to do this forever.
Also I thought Nolan's reluctance to return was due more to Ledger's death.
Also I thought Nolan's reluctance to return was due more to Ledger's death.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:55 pm to Cockopotamus
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I find it hard to believe the Joker wouldn't have been heavily involved after he tells Batman they are destined to do this forever.
Or it could have been just a nod to the fact that the Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis.
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Also I thought Nolan's reluctance to return was due more to Ledger's death.
How do you explain his reluctance to do The Dark Knight after Batman Begins?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:05 pm to RollTide1987
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How do you explain his reluctance to do The Dark Knight after Batman Begins?
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:07 pm to RollTide1987
I find it hard to believe he hadn't at least thought of it while filming the Dark Knight...maybe even had a discussion with Ledger, even if just for fun.
I'm not saying the 3rd would have been Joker centric, but he would have been involved. I've always liked the idea of Joker playing a similar role to Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs
I'm not saying the 3rd would have been Joker centric, but he would have been involved. I've always liked the idea of Joker playing a similar role to Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:13 pm to RollTide1987
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Christopher Nolan almost didn't come back to make a third film. He was very close to walking away completely after making The Dark Knight and returned only because of the long months spent by himself and David Goyer drafting a story that made him feel compelled to return and make a new film.
All those months of compelling story led to the dumpster fire known as the TDKR?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:50 pm to jac1280
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In Nolans' Batman universe....
...Broken backs can be fixed with some rope and a rusty pipe to hang it from.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:51 pm to theunknownknight
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All those months of compelling story led to the dumpster fire known as the TDKR?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:33 pm to jac1280
People would be begging for more Ledger Joker... there would have been at least two sequels with a Joker spin off and/or origin story.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:41 pm to Superior Pariah
There should have at least been a mention of the Joker in TDKR.
To have such an open ending in TDK to not even mentioning the biggest antagonist in the entire series was dumb.
To have such an open ending in TDK to not even mentioning the biggest antagonist in the entire series was dumb.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:50 pm to MCSquared16
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From what I remember hearing, the basic idea would be the same but instead of Scarecrow's cameo it would've been the Joker
Nah. Joker would have returned as the antagonist. If I had to take a guess on the plot, Talia is still in the movie and would arm the Joker with a nuclear bomb. Harley Quinn would also be in it and roughly take Catwoman's place where she was in the movie. I don't think it would have taken place 8 years afterwards, but merely a year when the Joker's trial begins.
Really, the nuke plot with Bane doesn't work all that well. Waiting 5 months to detonate Gotham? Why? It makes no sense. Just nuke them within the week when you've proven your point on Gotham being a hell hole. That's why arming the Joker with a nuke would have been much better and made more sense. It would directly prove the League's point that humanity needs to be purged, and any attempt to save it will be followed by an even more hostile reaction ie The Joker. So Joker would have the nuke for about 3 days, and Batman would never go to the prison. He starts where he left off and forces the people of Gotham to do horrible things to each other, or he sets off the nuke. Finally, he'll up it to the level of the US government, saying he'll surrender himself and the nuke if the US nukes another major foreign city by dawn, hoping that it could create a nuclear holocaust. And instead of Batman killing the Joker, have Harley Quinn do it when she's had enough of the Joker's shite. Then make the last 15 minutes roughly the same as they were in the original movie.
And no Bane obviously. Just focusing on the Joker and Talia makes the trilogy come full circle, as well as Batman's redemption.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:52 pm to jac1280
Who was the poster on here that knew all the behind-the-scenes info about Batman and Nolan? He was a Mississippi State fan...
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:54 pm to RollTide1987
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So Christopher Nolan did not intend for the Joker to appear in The Dark Knight Rises because he didn't have a specific intention to even make a third film at all, as the story for it only developed later on.
It's like Vader not returning for Return of the Jedi. It was clearly set up that he would return and send Gotham to hell. As much as some of the Nolan fanboys will defend that Ledger dying didn't affect the plot of the third film, they are wrong. It is hugely distracting in the movie that they don't bring up the Joker a single time given the plot. The Joker would have without question done something in that setting, and it's not even a thought in anyone's mind. At least say he was murdered in prison or something to get it out of sight and mind. That was very poorly executed in order to "respect" Ledger's memory and performance.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:57 pm to theunknownknight
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All those months of compelling story led to the dumpster fire known as the TDKR?
If anything, Ledger's death would have been the reason for Nolan to NOT return to Batman. He could easily say "I won't be able to top this without Heath, and to do a movie without him with the implied set up would be hugely distracting." That's fine. But you mean to tell me he would have gone with the same plot? The nukes and Talia, with a bit of the Dark Knight Returns, sure, but everything else, I highly doubt.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:01 pm to Pectus
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Who was the poster on here that knew all the behind-the-scenes info about Batman and Nolan? He was a Mississippi State fan...
Gamecockalum. If I'm not mistaken, he reads multiple film web sites.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:26 pm to OMLandshark
No studio would have allowed Nolan to make a 3rd Batman movie without Ledger if he were alive.
It's as simple as that.
It's as simple as that.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 10:27 pm
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