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re: S.H.I.E.L.D Season 2 thread-S.H.I.E.L.D vs "Real" S.H.I.E.L.D.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:52 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:52 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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I'm not well-versed in the comics, so the Inhumans didn't put the diviners on Earth, but the Kree?
The explanation that the Kree gave in tonight's episode lines up fairly well with the comic origins of the Inhumans. The Kree experimented on humans back in the prehistoric past trying to create weapons to use against the Skrulls. They scrapped the program when they figured out that their creations could end up destroying them. But the results of those experiments were the Inhumans.
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:10 am to RonBurgundy
I agree that Mack and Movkingbird have to be working with Hill or Avengers. In one scene when the Kree guy is walking toward them near the end they briefly discuss needing backup. Mack says maybe they should call in real backup. I took that to mean an avenger or something similar.
Love Lady Sif. She seems like a good character and fans must like her as they keep bringing her back.
Love Lady Sif. She seems like a good character and fans must like her as they keep bringing her back.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:53 am to CenlaMikePA
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Love Lady Sif. She seems like a good character and fans must like her as they keep bringing her back.
I love her too.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:12 am to Bamatab
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And a group within SHIELD (or the Avengers) had Mack & Mockingbird there to spy on Coulson, and if it appeared that he didn't have things under control, then they were the backup plan to takeover. And now that they realize that Coulson wasn't really in control of the events surrounding Skye, they have to enact the backup plan.
But Coulson is part of the Avengers. And why would it be such a big deal that they cant tell lover boy? So much so that Mack has to put him to sleep.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:19 am to Bamatab
It was strange seeing Pete Lattimore (Warehouse 13) as a Kree.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:22 am to More beer please
Avengers don't know Coulson is alive. I'm guessing they're working for Fury who has the ears of Stark and Rogers.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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I love her too.
Yes please...
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This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 10:02 am to More beer please
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But Coulson is part of the Avengers. And why would it be such a big deal that they cant tell lover boy? So much so that Mack has to put him to sleep.
Actually Coulson is not an Avenger. He helped create and initiate the Avengers project, but he wasn't a member of the actual team. But to your point he was definitely a friend and ally of the team.
But that was before he was killed and then brought back to life using Kree blood and technology, which resulted in him flipping out and manically drawing maps of the city that resulted in at least two Inhuman's gaining their powers (one of which is a member of Coulson's team and a daughter figure to him). I'm sure there are quite a few people tied to SHIELD and the Avengers (if Tony even knows about it) that are probably a little bit concerned at what has taken place.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:28 pm to Bamatab
So obviously Strucker has one of the diviners to bring about the Maximoff twins' powers. Zabo has another. Who has the other 3?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:37 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Maximoff twins' powers
For some reason, I actually like the idea of them being inhumans more than I do of them being mutants.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:07 pm to RedPants
In the comics, Wanda threw a vicious attack at anyone with her bloodline, taking out Pietro but leaving Magneto unharmed...
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:20 pm to Bamatab
Bobbi and Mack's potential backup
Maria Hill/Tony Stark
Stark had a distrust of the SHIELD from the get go. He stole tons of their files in Avengers and would surely know that he was on the HYDRA kill list w/Black Widow releasing the rest of their secrets. At the end of CA2 we also see that Hill is now working for Stark. She quickly aids Talbot as soon as she learns Coulson and company are at the Providence base so it's been shown she doesn't exactly feel the need to keep his resurrection secret. While it may seem against Tony's character to start spying on a person he considered a friend the combination of an alien invasion, the events of IM3 w/weaponized humans, and SHIELD getting brought down from within by HYDRA could be enough to drastically change his worldview. Ultimately, it boils down to would Stark be so upset at finding out Coulson declined to reveal he was alive that he would send agents to spy on him?
General Glenn Talbot/General Thunderbolt Ross
These two have long held a clear distrust of SHIELD and powered individuals. They both have shown the propensity for backstabbing their allies. It could be that they gave Bobbi and Mac a deal to stay out of prison if they would spy on Coulson and get them Fury's lock box. The main issue here would be that Ross seems to be placated so long as Banner stays away from his daughter and Talbot has been gaining promotions from taking credit for Coulson's work. Perhaps he could gain an even bigger promotion by getting the lock box but it seems to be a stretch.
Skrulls/Chitauri
Perhaps they are not humans at all. The rights for the Skrulls are murky. Apparently both Marvel and Fox have the right to use them but Marvel can't use Super Skrull. Perhaps the Secret Invasion is being set up w/Skrulls or Chitauri as the equivalent. It would help explain where the hell all the warriors went after Tony shut the portal and blew up the mother ship. However, this seams far fetched b/c of the conversation Bobbi had with Mack about having a future with Lance after their plan goes down. This would also require everyone to accept that the Chitauri were actually sent in to be sleeper agents and did not really die when they all seemingly dropped dead when their ship blew up.
SWORD/Robert Gonzales/different SHIELD faction
It is quite possible there are other ex SHIELD agents who did not approve of how Fury just up and vanished after giving the leadership role to a person everyone thought was dead. Edward James Olmos has signed a deal to play a character named Robert Gonzales. Maybe he is heading up the other group of agents who lean towards registration at a minimum and elimination of need be of super powered individuals. Mack gives a big hint towards his leader's views when he flatly states that people need to be protected from those like Skye.
Nick Fury
Fury's secrets have secrets according to Stark. Maybe Fury has been leading Coulson along this entire time. It's hard to envision him doing a long con where he trying to screw over Coulson just to get at Inhumans that might exist. It also wouldn't make sense that he was trying to steal back something he willing gave away.
Hawkeye
Out of all the Avengers, he seemed to have the weakest relationship with Coulson. He can't be happy that the Agency he dedicated himself to was full of HYDRA operatives. It wouldn't be a shock fora person that has had his mind controlled to be extremely suspicious of a person he thought was dead. The biggest issue here would be how he even found out about Coulson. I highly doubt he is involved but threw him in there since he hasn't really been seen for a while now.
Steve Rogers
He has had on and off trust issues with Fury and might want that box to get info on Bucky. Out of all the Avengers he seems by the least likely to got he cloak and dagger route. He seem the type that if he found out a second friend was alive that he thought dead he would go straight to them.
HYRDA/Roxxon/other evil group/corporation
The way Bobbi and Mack were talking they surely can't be HYDRA. Perhaps they work for another major company but that seems unlikely.
All in all, I think it's most likely the show is setting up Civil War so the most likely culprits for being backup are people who have it out for powered individuals. Stark/Hill and Talbot/Ross fit that mold however I think the casting of Olmos indicates he will be the MCUTV registration antagonist.
My bet is Olmos is running SWORD or some other SHIELD splinter group and he has Bobbi and Mack working for him.
One more question this brings up... Just how many people know that Coulson is still alive? Fury, Hill, numerous other SHIELD agents, Talbot, all captured enemies, HYDRA, and Sif have all seen him. Surely this is going to get back to at least one of the Avengers at some point? (perhaps in Civil War?)
Maria Hill/Tony Stark
Stark had a distrust of the SHIELD from the get go. He stole tons of their files in Avengers and would surely know that he was on the HYDRA kill list w/Black Widow releasing the rest of their secrets. At the end of CA2 we also see that Hill is now working for Stark. She quickly aids Talbot as soon as she learns Coulson and company are at the Providence base so it's been shown she doesn't exactly feel the need to keep his resurrection secret. While it may seem against Tony's character to start spying on a person he considered a friend the combination of an alien invasion, the events of IM3 w/weaponized humans, and SHIELD getting brought down from within by HYDRA could be enough to drastically change his worldview. Ultimately, it boils down to would Stark be so upset at finding out Coulson declined to reveal he was alive that he would send agents to spy on him?
General Glenn Talbot/General Thunderbolt Ross
These two have long held a clear distrust of SHIELD and powered individuals. They both have shown the propensity for backstabbing their allies. It could be that they gave Bobbi and Mac a deal to stay out of prison if they would spy on Coulson and get them Fury's lock box. The main issue here would be that Ross seems to be placated so long as Banner stays away from his daughter and Talbot has been gaining promotions from taking credit for Coulson's work. Perhaps he could gain an even bigger promotion by getting the lock box but it seems to be a stretch.
Skrulls/Chitauri
Perhaps they are not humans at all. The rights for the Skrulls are murky. Apparently both Marvel and Fox have the right to use them but Marvel can't use Super Skrull. Perhaps the Secret Invasion is being set up w/Skrulls or Chitauri as the equivalent. It would help explain where the hell all the warriors went after Tony shut the portal and blew up the mother ship. However, this seams far fetched b/c of the conversation Bobbi had with Mack about having a future with Lance after their plan goes down. This would also require everyone to accept that the Chitauri were actually sent in to be sleeper agents and did not really die when they all seemingly dropped dead when their ship blew up.
SWORD/Robert Gonzales/different SHIELD faction
It is quite possible there are other ex SHIELD agents who did not approve of how Fury just up and vanished after giving the leadership role to a person everyone thought was dead. Edward James Olmos has signed a deal to play a character named Robert Gonzales. Maybe he is heading up the other group of agents who lean towards registration at a minimum and elimination of need be of super powered individuals. Mack gives a big hint towards his leader's views when he flatly states that people need to be protected from those like Skye.
Nick Fury
Fury's secrets have secrets according to Stark. Maybe Fury has been leading Coulson along this entire time. It's hard to envision him doing a long con where he trying to screw over Coulson just to get at Inhumans that might exist. It also wouldn't make sense that he was trying to steal back something he willing gave away.
Hawkeye
Out of all the Avengers, he seemed to have the weakest relationship with Coulson. He can't be happy that the Agency he dedicated himself to was full of HYDRA operatives. It wouldn't be a shock fora person that has had his mind controlled to be extremely suspicious of a person he thought was dead. The biggest issue here would be how he even found out about Coulson. I highly doubt he is involved but threw him in there since he hasn't really been seen for a while now.
Steve Rogers
He has had on and off trust issues with Fury and might want that box to get info on Bucky. Out of all the Avengers he seems by the least likely to got he cloak and dagger route. He seem the type that if he found out a second friend was alive that he thought dead he would go straight to them.
HYRDA/Roxxon/other evil group/corporation
The way Bobbi and Mack were talking they surely can't be HYDRA. Perhaps they work for another major company but that seems unlikely.
All in all, I think it's most likely the show is setting up Civil War so the most likely culprits for being backup are people who have it out for powered individuals. Stark/Hill and Talbot/Ross fit that mold however I think the casting of Olmos indicates he will be the MCUTV registration antagonist.
My bet is Olmos is running SWORD or some other SHIELD splinter group and he has Bobbi and Mack working for him.
One more question this brings up... Just how many people know that Coulson is still alive? Fury, Hill, numerous other SHIELD agents, Talbot, all captured enemies, HYDRA, and Sif have all seen him. Surely this is going to get back to at least one of the Avengers at some point? (perhaps in Civil War?)
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:35 pm to Dr RC
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One more question this brings up... Just how many people know that Coulson is still alive? Fury, Hill, numerous other SHIELD agents, Talbot, all captured enemies, HYDRA, and Sif have all seen him. Surely this is going to get back to at least one of the Avengers at some point? (perhaps in Civil War?)
He's not in the cast and crew for Age of Ultron. You'd think he'd appear at some point in it.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
With the way the show fit with The Winter Soldier, you'd think Coulson would play a small role at least.
Hell, if you were just watching the show and decided to wait a few weeks to watch TWS, the collapse of SHIELD and emergence of Hydra was spoiled for you.
Hell, if you were just watching the show and decided to wait a few weeks to watch TWS, the collapse of SHIELD and emergence of Hydra was spoiled for you.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:19 pm to Dr RC
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Maria Hill/Tony Stark
This is the option I think is most likely. Hill probably knows the specifics of how Coulson was brought back to life, and sent Mack and Bobbi to keep an eye on him. Once Mack and Bobbi found out about Coulson flipping out and drawing the alien/Inhuman city, I'm sure Hill's (and Tony now that Hill is working for Tony) plan went up a notch to the point where she gave the order that if Coulson was compromised, then Bobbi and Mack were to "deal" with it. Then with the events that took place in the city, and now with Skye gaining powers that even the Asgardians are worried about, I'm guessing the decision either has been made, or is on the verge of being made for Bobbi and Mack to deal with it. I think Iron Man was what Mack was referencing when he asked Bobbi if they needed to get help (or backup or whatever it was that he said) when Sif and the Kree were trying to get Skye.
I firmly believe this is the beginning of the Civil War arch that we are seeing. Those that are afraid of those with powers (like Simmons, Bobbi, and Mack), and those that think they need to be protected (like Coulson, Fitz, and May). And we know which side Tony is going to land on (and thus most likely Hill).
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 4:52 pm to Dr RC
Unless Abigail Brand is a FF character, she is the director of SWORD...and an Inhuman.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Abigail Brand is a FF character, she is the director of SWORD...and an Inhuman.
She's a mutant/alien hybrid in everything I have read.This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 5:21 pm to Dr RC
Daisy Johnson is a mutant as well. Didn't stop them from changing her to inhuman.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 8:50 am to CGSC Lobotomy
What's the difference between Mutant and Inhuman for us non-comic book guys??
Inhumans are alien/human crosses?? Mutants are some sort of "evolved" human??
Inhumans are alien/human crosses?? Mutants are some sort of "evolved" human??
Posted on 3/12/15 at 9:54 am to STEVED00
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Inhumans are alien/human crosses?? Mutants are some sort of "evolved" human??
Kinda sorta
Inhumans were people that the Kree came down and experimented on back in the stone age. They were going to be used as slaves for war. The Kree are expelled and the Inhumans live in seclusion for thousands of years until modern times. They have a rigid caste system that you are stuck in once you have been placed. To gain your Inhuman powers you must go through the Terrigenesis process. Unfortunately, that can leave you all kinds of fricked up b/c nobody knows what you will become so sometimes you aren't allowed to change.
Mutants on the other hand are evolved humans. They have an x gene that usually activates during puberty. Other than being mutants, they are everyday people and often have no idea they are mutants until their powers develop.
In Agents of SHIELD Skye is half human, half inhuman.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 9:56 am
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