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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:55 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:Or, would the MCU exist without Spider-Man? Would that exist without X-Men? Would that exist without Batman? Would that exist without Superman?
Would Batman vs Superman have been made if the MCU didn't exist?
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:57 pm to abellsujr
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Would Batman vs Superman have been made if the MCU didn't exist?
Or, would the MCU exist without Spider-Man? Would that exist without X-Men? Would that exist without Batman? Would that exist without Superman?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:59 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Would Batman vs Superman have been made if the MCU didn't exist?
Well, it was supposedly cast and in pre-production in 2003, so I think it would eventually have been made.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 6:42 pm to Sentrius
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Meanwhile DC is run by corporate shills who couldn't give a shite about the characters and only see dollar signs and give directing jobs to sad and talentless one trick hacks like Snyder who does nothing but disaster porn without any color whatsoever.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Well, at least something good came out of BvS.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
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It's an article about something that's been brought up here many times before. Isn't that what message boards are for?
I've only seen people talk about like once in a thread, FK, myself and I think someone else. That was it to my knowledge, maybe I'm wrong? (and I'm talking about a discussion/debate, not a singular comment).
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I've never once defended BvS
I never said you did, but ok...so this happened.... "Why does it matter?" is my question, that's all I mean.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:09 pm to Freauxzen
OK, so what about the hot orange juice?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:44 pm to The Last Son
I read that more along the lines that Russos were already planning something along the lines of Civil War and Marvel wasn't keen on it until BvS was announced, not that Marvel had them change the movie they were going to do.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:58 pm to ThoseGuys
I'm not going to re-link it, but if you clean on my link, I had a post earlier in the thread from an interview with the screenwriters for TWS and now CW that basically said they were already working on Cap 3 as essentially a direct sequel to WS. A lot of that has supposedly made it into Civil War, forming the initial plot points of the movie or a major plot point of the movie, but then it morphs into the whole team vs team bit before pulling back to the real threat/villain.
So essentially, BvS, but more heroes, a shitload of knock-knock jokes and the end villain is a human instead of a bony troll.
So essentially, BvS, but more heroes, a shitload of knock-knock jokes and the end villain is a human instead of a bony troll.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:21 am to The Last Son
fun. sheer moviegoing enjoyment.
that's what you forgot to include.
that's what you forgot to include.
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:33 am to The Egg
With zero consequences I'm sure Hell I haven't even seen the movie and haven't read a single spoiler (I did hear about a certain scene with Tony that will echo something that Marvel did in one of their movies last year, but wasn't told the context of what took place in that scene or what part of the movie the scene is shown though), but I can pretty much guarantee that no one dies in this movie, at least no one of note. I bet they waste Daniel Bruhl on a one-note bland villain that no one will remember 2 years from now.
I'm sure the 8 year old in my is going to love those 2 and half hours next Thursday, A week later, adult me is going to be meh over it.
Hell I haven't even seen the movie and haven't read a single spoiler (I did hear about a certain scene with Tony that will echo something that Marvel did in one of their movies last year, but wasn't told the context of what took place in that scene or what part of the movie the scene is shown though), but I can pretty much guarantee that no one dies in this movie, at least no one of note. I bet they waste Daniel Bruhl on a one-note bland villain that no one will remember 2 years from now. I'm sure the 8 year old in my is going to love those 2 and half hours next Thursday, A week later, adult me is going to be meh over it.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:35 am to The Last Son
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So essentially, BvS, but more heroes, a shitload of knock-knock jokes and the end villain is a human instead of a bony troll.
I think there will be a good bit more difference to the two films than that
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:41 am to WicKed WayZ
trust me, there's a world of difference between the two.
and I like TLS, I think he's a good poster and adds good input and opinions on this board. but it seems as if he's going down the path that he is trying not to, which is predetermining his outlook for a movie that he hasn't seen only bc of what critics love and hate.
I'll say this. after seeing CW, I saw BvS again with my bro, who had yet to watch it. As I sat there watching it, I just kept on pointing out in my head where CW was superior to it, which is practically every area.
I wanted to like BvS as much as the DC loyalists loved it, but it just didn't catch on to me at all. contrary to what some think, if it's a comic movie, I actually do want to have fun with it. heck, the funniest part in BvS was the Wonder Woman guitar rift when she finally shows up to fight Doomsday at the end, and even that was misplaced, unintentional comedy
eta: TLS may actually end up hating CW, and with some merit, the movie isn't without its faults and holes. to that end, he's definitely entitled to his opinion. but again, it seems predestined.
and I like TLS, I think he's a good poster and adds good input and opinions on this board. but it seems as if he's going down the path that he is trying not to, which is predetermining his outlook for a movie that he hasn't seen only bc of what critics love and hate.
I'll say this. after seeing CW, I saw BvS again with my bro, who had yet to watch it. As I sat there watching it, I just kept on pointing out in my head where CW was superior to it, which is practically every area.
I wanted to like BvS as much as the DC loyalists loved it, but it just didn't catch on to me at all. contrary to what some think, if it's a comic movie, I actually do want to have fun with it. heck, the funniest part in BvS was the Wonder Woman guitar rift when she finally shows up to fight Doomsday at the end, and even that was misplaced, unintentional comedy
eta: TLS may actually end up hating CW, and with some merit, the movie isn't without its faults and holes. to that end, he's definitely entitled to his opinion. but again, it seems predestined.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 12:58 am
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:55 am to The Egg
quote:A lot of loyalists hated it as well.
I wanted to like BvS as much as the DC loyalists loved it
Posted on 4/27/16 at 3:14 am to The Egg
My main gripe is that people seem to criticize BvS for not being something it never ever was presented to be. They weren't following the Marvel formula and critics got all hot bothered by it, which is humorous to me, but when I see a lot of people parroting those talking points - many of whom would have enjoyed it if they weren't falling victim to groupthink mentality.
It's even worse when every review I've seem so far wants to compare the two rather than letting each of these movies stand on its individual merits. What's really funny is that no one has compared the DCEU or the MCU to Deadpool or any of the X-Men movies. That really only adds fuel to my fire that those early critics were chosen for a very specific reason.
Also, I've had this complaint for awhile now, but whatever a-hole(s) at Disney who decided it would be okay to release Aveners, AOU, and Civil War overseas a full week before they release in the US can go tongue punch a hobo's fartbox.
It's even worse when every review I've seem so far wants to compare the two rather than letting each of these movies stand on its individual merits. What's really funny is that no one has compared the DCEU or the MCU to Deadpool or any of the X-Men movies. That really only adds fuel to my fire that those early critics were chosen for a very specific reason.
Also, I've had this complaint for awhile now, but whatever a-hole(s) at Disney who decided it would be okay to release Aveners, AOU, and Civil War overseas a full week before they release in the US can go tongue punch a hobo's fartbox.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 7:53 am to The Last Son
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I'm not going to re-link it, but if you clean on my link, I had a post earlier in the thread from an interview with the screenwriters for TWS and now CW that basically said they were already working on Cap 3 as essentially a direct sequel to WS. A lot of that has supposedly made it into Civil War, forming the initial plot points of the movie or a major plot point of the movie, but then it morphs into the whole team vs team bit before pulling back to the real threat/villain.
Way back in the 60's, Marvel became famous in comic book lore for what was called the Marvel Method. Basically, the writer (at that time mostly Stan Lee working on a frick ton of books) would write a sometimes very brief outline of the plot. Then the artist would take that, add his own creativity and create the visuals in the book. Then he'd turn it back over to the writer who would do the thought and word balloons and the written exposition. For whatever reason (probably very talented artists and good writers) it worked extremely well.
From your descriptions, it almost seems like Marvel has recaptured some of that in its movies. "Studio interference" seems to be a feared and dreaded term throughout movie making. But to some extent, the guys in charge of the Marvel movies have seemed to be able to work with their creative teams for pretty great success.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:27 am to Methuselah
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For whatever reason (probably very talented artists and good writers) it worked extremely well.
It worked extremely well because Stan was telling two of the most creative talents in comics history (Kirby and Ditko) to flesh out his springboards into full stories. No mystery there.
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From your descriptions, it almost seems like Marvel has recaptured some of that in its movies. "Studio interference" seems to be a feared and dreaded term throughout movie making. But to some extent, the guys in charge of the Marvel movies have seemed to be able to work with their creative teams for pretty great success.
To some extent. They'e finding directors that can work within the company's parameters. They've lost a couple of directors and they've had some difficulties with directors having to make the best of what they're allowed to do instead of making the movies that they wanted to make. It's why the Russos seemingly having the secret to working the Marvel Studios system to their advantage is such a blessing.
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