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Russo Bros. reveals Captain America: Civil War was green lit because of BvS

Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:25 pm
This has been a topic of discussion on here so thought I'd post this.


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Russo Bros. reveals Captain America: Civil War was green lit because of Batman vs. Superman!

Rather shocking it isn't? even I didn't believe it but I had to read the statements given by Russo Bros. (Directors of Captain America Winter Soldier, Captain America Civil War and upcoming Avengers Infinity War series) to The Hollywood Reporter, multiple times. In their interview with THR, Russo Bros. said they were interested to deconstruct the Marvel Cinematic Universe to offer something new and different rather the traditional structure used by Marvel Studios for the past 12 movies and they claimed Civil War was a risky move as it is something new for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here's the brief back and forth between the Russo and THR. (Source link provided at the bottom of the article.)


How do you get everyone on board with that kind of story decision when the stakes are so high?

You have to feel that the market is saturated enough that the audience is ready for something different. It's a calculated risk. But again, that's what gets me out of bed. I'm much more interested in deconstructing the genre than doing the traditional execution of it. We've been out of synch for years. Shows like Arrested Development and Community were well received critically and had a devoted fan base, but they weren't commercially successful. The audience's taste finally seems to be lining up with our desire to pursue post-modern storytelling.

What do you think might be driving that change?

Well, it helps that we're working within a very popular genre. But I also think social media has altered viewing habits and tastes. The quality of tentpole movies has gotten very good and very competitive over the last couple years. Because of social media and the discussion that happens there, the audience has gotten a stronger collective sense of taste and you're dead at 6 p.m. on Friday if you didn't make a good movie. And they're starting to champion more radical storytelling.

Deadpool's a great example of that. I mean, holy shite, $750 million worldwide? For our part, when we finished Winter Soldier two years ago and we were thinking about doing the next one, the only thing that seemed interesting to us was to deconstruct the Marvel Universe — because where else can we go at this point? There have been 11 or 12 movies so far, all with a fairly traditional structure. Our pitch to them was: People will tell you they love chocolate ice cream — until you give it to them five days a week. It's time to give them some rainbow sherbet. Kevin [Feige] is a maverick and he's very sensitive to how people are responding to his content. He said he thought we might be right. And after they announced Batman v. Superman, he said, 'you guys are absolutely right.' We needed to do something challenging with the material or we were going to start to lose the audience.

Is this a reactionary move? in a capacity yes it is because from the sounds of it, it seems like Russo Bros. were interested to make movies which are deconstructive in nature but the studio and higher ups involved were little skeptical but the announcement of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice by Warner Bros. Pictures eased up the tension and prompted Kevin Feige to green lit the ideas of Russo Bros.

For the sake of facts, Batman vs Superman was announced on July 21, 2013 during San Diego Comic Con and Captain America Civil War was announced on October 28, 2014 during Marvel Studios Phase 3 Event at El Capitan theater.

Really begs the question if WB didn't announce Batman vs Superman to make something along the lines of Man of Steel 2 or some other solo movie what kind of a Captain America 3 movie we would have got? Captain America: Serpent Society? Let us about your thoughts over this matter and what would have been your pitch for a solo Captain America 3 in the comments below.



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Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:56 pm to
And Magic Mushrooms grow in cow shite. I'm still gonna trip balls on May 6th.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:10 pm to
And as fate would have it, Marvel still winds up with the more fantastic, greater and just plain better movie than BvS.

Why?

Because they have better directors like Whedon and Russo Bros and a studio head in Feige who loves comics and wants marvel to produce movies that honor the characters.

Meanwhile DC is run by corporate shills who couldn't give a shite about the characters and only see dollar signs and give directing jobs to sad and talentless one trick hacks like Snyder who does nothing but disaster porn without any color whatsoever.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:15 pm to
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And as fate would have it, Marvel still winds up with the more fantastic, greater and just plain better movie than BvS.



I know, right

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ecause they have better directors like Whedon and Russo Bros


Whedon's Ok IMO, but they hit a home run with the Russo's
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:21 pm to
I would take Whedon over Snyder in a heartbeat. I think I really could do a better job than Snyder.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:26 pm to
So, something good came from BvS.
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:30 pm to
Freaux is trying to think on how he can refute this with a thesis he wrote at 4am while drinking a glass of hot orange juice.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:39 pm to
Well, at least something good came out of BvS.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:45 pm to
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Freaux is trying to think on how he can refute this with a thesis he wrote at 4am while drinking a glass of hot orange juice.


Refute what, if BvS inspired Civil War..... Yay?
Congrats....? BvS is going to inspire what seems to be, if early reviews aren't hyperbole, a better film. Does this make BvS a better film?

This is a non-story for the most part. Superheroes fight superheroes all the time. BvS didn't do it first, neither did CW.

ETA: All I said before was the initial stuff weeks ago was not evidence. That's it. I was never refuting the idea, just that we had 0 proof. Now that we have some form of really loose proof....ok? I still don't know what this means really, or why this is important.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Whedon's Ok IMO, but they hit a home run with the Russo's


Whedon isn't in the same ballpark with the Russos when it comes to huge superhero movies.

Whedon is great with his fantasy soap opera TV shows, but the big superhero team movies were not his forté.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:02 pm to
And if the above is true, it appears that the Russos are much better at handling Feige and the rest of the corporation. Some of the other directors seemed to have trouble with the instructions coming down on them from above. It looks like the Russos have learned to work the current so that their ideas move upstream through the resistance.
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:02 pm to
CW is infinitely better than BvS in every area that you can think of.

the DC guys will be in full hate mode when this thing is released, box office numbers and critical praise will piss them off to no end.
Posted by schexyoung
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:02 pm to
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Well, at least something good came out of BvS.


My thoughts exactly. This and hopefully solo Batfleck without Synder.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

And if the above is true, it appears that the Russos are much better at handling Feige and the rest of the corporation. Some of the other directors seemed to have trouble with the instructions coming down on them from above. It looks like the Russos have learned to work the current so that their ideas move upstream through the resistance.



This is a good point.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:14 pm to
quote:

the DC guys will be in full hate mode when this thing is released, box office numbers and critical praise will piss them off to no end.



This has already started.

I feel like this thread is only really motivated by finding some glimmer of hope about BvS? Or sticking it to Marvel in some really obscure way? I don't get it?

Like, if CW is THAT good..."Well, it's only good because BvS came first, so it's isn't THAT good." Or "I mean I liked it, but BvS inspired the film, so I have to knock it down a few pegs." "BvS did it first."

This makes no sense otherwise. And to make a thread about it?
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:21 pm to
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This makes no sense otherwise. And to make a thread about it?


It's an article about something that's been brought up here many times before. Isn't that what message boards are for?

quote:

I feel like this thread is only
really motivated by finding some glimmer of hope about BvS?


I've never once defended BvS
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:43 pm to
It's interesting because we hear the arguments about whether or not the studios are trying to stick it to each other and here is one set of directors saying that they were able to use the competition to get their ideas in motion.

Instead of, "Civil War is a big frick you to DC" it was, "Marvel saw what DC was going to do and decided that they needed to listen to the Russos and shake things up a bit."

No one is using this interview as proof of BvS's quality.

The semi-irony is that Warner has had successful deconstructive superhero movies (Dark Knight and DK Rises) but it was the non-winning BvS that got the Russos the green light.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:47 pm to
quote:

And after they announced Batman v. Superman, he said, 'you guys are absolutely right.' We needed to do something challenging with the material or we were going to start to lose the audience.
Ironically, WB thinks they're losing the audience by attempting something challenging.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that Marvel would react to a DC and Fox move when they ran the table on the market.
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