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re: Not the greatest fan of Captain America: Civil War (Spoilers Within)
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:33 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:33 pm to RollTide1987
Agreed. Good but not great. How is it a "Civil War" without casualties?
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Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:16 pm to PeteRose
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How is it a "Civil War" without casualties?
Marvel loves them no deaths... unless of course you are brought into one movie for the soul purpose to be killed off.
RIP quicksilver
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:20 pm to PeteRose
quote:Cap should have died. I loved the movie but that would've made it even better. the civil war should've had consequences.
Agreed. Good but not great. How is it a "Civil War" without casualties?
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:21 pm to RollTide1987
I liked it, but it wasn't amazing.
I did like the whole Vision realizing that before the avengers came around, criminals were just arms dealers and terrorists. Now they're gods and aliens.
I did like the whole Vision realizing that before the avengers came around, criminals were just arms dealers and terrorists. Now they're gods and aliens.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:22 pm to Fearthehat0307
They should've at least killed cheadle.
At least they had the balls to kill quicksilver in age of ultron and not magically bring him back to life.
At least they had the balls to kill quicksilver in age of ultron and not magically bring him back to life.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:24 pm to Dr RC
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in the case of Ultron they'd be 100% correct
Yeah, I kind of assume the truth about Ultron never got out because if they put the Scarlet Witch under house arrest for the redirecting the casualties in Lagos from a crowded marketplace to the second floor of an office complex, you think almost wiping out humanity after doing something basically everyone other than a slightly unstable human weapon said was a horrible idea would have more serious ramifications for Tony.
Now, that I think about it-- Stringent government oversight of Tony Stark's research capabilities has way, way more justification than oversight of the Avengers.
This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:34 pm to montanagator
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Now, that I think about it-- Stringent government oversight of Tony Stark's research capabilities has way, way more justification than oversight of the Avengers.
Sure. But Tony is charming enough that he is able to pas the buck. Hell, General Ross has no fricking business bossing the Avengers around either since he is the one who caused Abomination to be unleashed on Harlem b/c he was ultra fricking butthurt his daughter loved Bruce Banner.
In fact, I think it's actually kind of poetic two of the MCU individuals who have have fricked up the hardest are the ones who want to give control to a higher authority so they no longer have to bear the responsibility of their mistakes.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:43 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The whole Winter Soldier arc is a big downer for me. He's not a compelling or formidable villain, at all. And his very presence compromises Captain America's standing in the MCU. Off all the Marvel characters, Cap is the paragon of bedrock virtues: duty, honor, country. Yet, because Bucky and he were childhood friend Cap will overlook any and all evil and forgo his commitment to these values. (I didn't think WS was the be-all, end-all superhero movie, either.)
I agree with all this so much. Bucky doesn't have cool powers and all he does is make Cap act like an obsessed jilted lover.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:50 pm to Dr RC
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Sure. But Tony is charming enough that he is able to pas the buck. Hell, General Ross has no fricking business bossing the Avengers around either since he is the one who caused Abomination to be unleashed on Harlem b/c he was ultra fricking butthurt his daughter loved Bruce Banner.
Yeah, got to assume that will be an awkward conversation-
Tony: "So, here's the thing..."
Bruce: "You signed over power to a guy who destroyed part of New York trying to kill me because you wanted to be responsible?"
Posted on 5/29/16 at 9:01 pm to RollTide1987
I agree it's overhyped and has a lot of flaws, but as far as these MCU movies go it's really good.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Finally saw the movie today. I don't know why the critics loved this movie so much more than Batman vs Superman. While it was cool to see all the marvel characters the Batman vs Superman story was so much better and a better movie considering both films had such similar themes.
It was a good movie, but it definitely wasn't ridiculously great.
It was a good movie, but it definitely wasn't ridiculously great.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:45 pm to RollTide1987
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I saw it on Friday and have been letting it sink in for the last couple of days. I don't know why so many people were going nuts for this film earlier in the months. It's a decent movie but hardly great.
Totally agree. And that's because the movie has zero stakes. For one brief shining moment I thought, "oh shite, is Marvel going to be brave enough to kill of an Avenger?!" But that lasted maybe 30 seconds and alas, nah, the fall didn't kill him, didn't even paralyze him.
In stories/movies that involve combat, a good guy has to die at some point or else who fricking cares? Without stakes, there's no drama.
People liked this move because "some cool shite happened" in it. Bravo.
If this story had been stripped down to Captain America turning a still-brainwashed-and-murderous Bucky back to the "good side" without all the other Avenger characters or storeylines in it, it would have been a far better movie.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:55 pm to Dr RC
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I'd like to believe that everyone would understand they are doing their best and want to limit damage but considering we have a Republican Presidential candidate who quotes the damn National Enquirer and his twitter feed as legit sources of info when he floats ridiculous garbage to attack his opponents... well... I just don't have much faith that people would understand how fricked they'd be if the Avengers decided to sit at home when the shite hits the fan.
not as stupid as those who actually challenge the influence peddling done on an industrial scale by the dem frontrunner
Posted on 5/31/16 at 7:51 am to Warfarer
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Let's be honest, outside of Dark Night, no DC movie of late can touch the MCU that is established.
Meh.
Batman Begins and the Dark Knight are better than anything in the MCU. Dark Knight Returns is better that vast majority of MCU films save for maybe the Winter Soldier.
I also thought Civil War was a tad overrated.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:59 am to Antonio Moss
And, let's face it, if they didn't have the actor playing Lex Luthor doing a bad Robin Williams impression, BvS wouldn't have caught half the flak it did. The action scenes in BvS were the equal to CW. And in the Batman scenes, superior.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:00 am to RollTide1987
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That's a fair point but it's the reason that people distrust, fear, and hate the Avengers that I have a problem with. Since the word "go" the Avengers have taken great pains to avoid collateral damage. We saw so many instances, especially in Age of Ultron, of the Avengers saving everyone and everything before dealing with the main threat. And yet collateral damage becomes the main reason as to why the Sokovia Accords are written and signed.
When you look back, the only "people" who are wanting to control the Avengers, and don't trust them, are gov't people.
I don't recall Joe Blow saying the Avengers need to be controlled.
In Iron Man you had the idiot senator trying to reel Tony in, and come to find out he's a Hydra agent. The Winter Soldier speaks for itself and shows that there are Hydra agents all over the place in our gov't. One of the members of the World Council was head of Hydra, but was recently killed on Agents of Shield, along with Hydra for the most part. At the end of the Avengers, it's some senator again bitching about the destruction.
Now it's General Ross, which really makes no sense considering what he did in the Incredible Hulk.
It's always been gov't people trying to control them, and as Steve Rogers said, "people with agendas"
The only time I can remember a general public not liking the Avengers was in Age of Ultron when the idiot citizens of Sokovia were throwing stuff at the Iron Man drones.
The Avengers are American, and are based out of America, and do things with the American Gov't, so it's not crazy to think people from other countries don't like them. I don't think I've ever seen American citizens shitting on the Avengers, except for that idiot mom in Civil War blaming Tony for her son's death.
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:18 pm to Antonio Moss
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Meh.
Batman Begins and the Dark Knight are better than anything in the MCU
+1 Watched BB this weekend and it still holds up so well. I love the training scenes with Ra's Al Ghul.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:44 pm to PeteRose
I thought Tony's motives were dumb. Of course there are casualties in war (unless you are a main character in Marvel that is). Yeah a random black kid died. Guess how many thousands of people were saved that day if not for Iron Man? The fact that he would risk killing his close friends because of a kid he never met was a stretch.
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