re: My Biggest Beefs With Breaking Bad

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I only found Jesse Pinkman to be believable in very few spots.

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I found his and Hank's characters to be the worst acted of the series, out of the main characters. Not to say they were bad, just the worst of the group. Jesse definitely got better as the series went on, in the last season particularly, where he really did well.

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My Biggest Beefs With Breaking Bad
"Cooking meth" is an extremely meticulous and difficult process of chemical reactions where even the slightest variance can considerably affect the final product. You must not have even the most rudimentary knowledge of chemistry to not understand this, as others have tried to explain to you. The notion that anybody can perfect such a process regardless of prior knowledge or previously guided practice is foolish. Not everyone has the diligence and attention to detail to achieve such perfection in a laboratory situation.

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1. Yes, it's attention to detail in a meticulous process. Which is very different from the application of professional judgment or discretion -- or just "skill" -- at every twist and turn along the way. Thank you for making my point. We both agree that the surgeon analogy was terrible.

2. I got two solid As in Chem 120 and 130, bitch!

She's dead

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I'm arguing because there's nothing in the series to suggest the bolded above was ever necessary. There was no indication that there was any aspect of that process that required quick-thinking professional judgment

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What... the frick. Are you serious right now? Nothing in the series suggested that cooking meth is a complicated chemical process that requires a talented chemist to make adjustments for? A major premise of the show is that Walt is the best at cooking meth because he is a genius chemist. They even get into how Walt was on board to be a multi-millionaire, how another brilliant chemist (Gale) idolized him, how other chemists tried to duplicate the process but couldn't, and how Jesse, despite knowing the recipe and having been under Walt's tutelage, couldn't replicate the purity precisely because it isn't just a recipe.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ you have to be trolling now. If you aren't, you are the most thickheaded, imbecilic poster on this board.

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Now you sound like the guy from the first page who said I was being "inflammatory". In this context, I have no idea what that means. I just got done watching this series and so I posted a few things I was thinking about as it was going on. How that could be considered 'trolling' is beyond me.

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I said, "All of your 'beefs' with the show are so insignificant as to be borderline trollish." In other words, it appears you are trying to find stupid shite to sling at the show but have no real substance behind it and are trying to rile up the others on this board for no purpose other than to rile them up. This appears to be true given your complete inability to see where and/or your willful ignorance as to your argument that Jesse's inability to cook as pure a meth as Walt is a "problem" with the show isn't actually a problem and has been explained time and time again both in this thread and on the show itself.

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SystemsGo

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... Apparently not.

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I don't think Jr. was one-dimensional at all. He definitely had emotional ups and downs throughout the show. His story arc being clean doesn't necessarily lessen his role. If anything it's absolutely necessary to have some form of innocence on the show for comparative purposes.

I really think Vince wasted what he had built up with the character. It didn't seem like much over the course of 5 seasons but the payoff could've been one of the most emotional moments in the series if done properly

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Can you elaborate on what you see as depth in his character?

I see a kid who loves the shite out of his dad. He represents unconditional love that is then lost in the snap of a finger. That's something, but it's really still just a prop for Walter's character....

...imho

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He tricked Hank into believing that his wife got in a serious car accident. Plus all the other lies. I think it was believable to hate him right away. Plus, they're only in law's

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And plus Hank's pretty much alpha to the core. It's set up in a reasonably plausible way. I can't disagree with that. But I still didn't buy it. It wouldn't have been nearly that easy for me, even with an in-law.

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She's dead

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So are my homosexual tendencies. Good talk.

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I'm not making a circular argument at all. I'm saying that even the scene that you claim "doesn't make sense" is an illustration of the point that you can't grasp.

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OMG. Start making sense!! My point is that it's a repeatable process and my point is correct. What in the world are you claiming is an illustration that it isn't merely a repeatable process? Oh that's right...the part Gale and Walt get different purities.

That's a circular argument, and I mean it's like a textbook example. So either you don't know what that is, or you don't understand how it is that the stuff you're saying qualifies as such. Those are the only two options.

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No one has agreed with you or given you a proverbial head nod.

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ReauxTide222 was dropping mad Proverbs up in this thread's prequel, yo

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There is no common ground to be seen. There is the correct ground and then there's your ground.

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See above. I believe there are like two others, but i"m not looking any further as the number of cosignors/dissenters is an independent variable vis a vis the question of whether Walt's method was completely masterable after, say, 50 or so cooks. And while there are countless looks into the various aspects of this process,and literally zero of them can be even passably argued as requiring skill or expertise in the execution thereof, you are claiming that the show illustrates proof that it is something other than simply a repeatable process because -- wait for it -- gale only got 93%.

Oh yes. Eureka! The part of the show where nobody can get a purity as high as Walt makes total sense, you see, because it clearly establishes that nobody can get a purity as high as Walt's.



Please don't reply and claim I'm a dick. The visual aid is a nice illustrative tool,and one that was quite obviously needed here.

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https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/blogs/67492/2013/06/127024-126515.jpg

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I'm pretty sure if you write these same paragraphs three more times, byt that third time they'll be right. No no, fourth. We'll play it safe.

How is it circular reasoning to say that the show specifically stated that the reason Jesse couldn't get the same purity is because it isn't just: follow these steps and presto! you get 98% purity?

That's not circular reasoning. I'm not saying that Jesse couldn't get the same purity because Jesse couldn't get the same purity. I'm saying that Jesse couldn't get the same purity because, as shown by the show repeatedly, it isn't a matter of simply following the steps.

This is a non-fricking-issue.

Go back and watch the show and tell me there isn't a single instance where they don't explicitly say why Jesse can't make as pure a cook. And, assuming arguendo that they don't, tell me you can't, with your tiny brain, deduce the reason behind it. A fricking five year old understands the reason: like all "recipes," complications arise in the cooking process; Walt adjusts for them, Jesse doesn't, because Walt knows chemistry and Jesse doesn't. This is harped on throughout the entire show.

Again, this is a non-issue and is a matter of common sense.


ReauxlTide222's remarks:

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Yep.

And the idea that that nobody else around can cook great meth is nuts to me. We aren't talking about some job that pays 80k a year. This is an industry that makes millions and millions of dollars. And Walter White is the only guy who had the precision to take the time and effort to do the process correct? Ok

3 people in the story can get above 90%. And one of them is a HIGHLY troubled frickup. Right.

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This does not say shite. The show goes to great lengths to demonstrate how difficult it is to create a nearly 100% pure meth. In fact, in the first season, Jesse loses his fricking mind at the purity since he can only get something like 50% or less (I can't remember exact numbers). This isn't a job that pays $80k a year because it is a job that pays $1M per batch. His arguments are as inane as yours and basically discount much of the structure that is set up in the show, not because it is not believable within the confines of the show, but because he can't wrap his brain around it in any context.

And lastly, if my arguing is circular, then certainly yours is. Essentially, you are saying: It's a recipe and, therefore, repeatable because it's a recipe and, therefore, repeatable. I mean seriously.

ETA: and now I'm going to request an anchor for this shitty thread.

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My only beef was not getting the satisfaction of seeing Marie get killed. I hated that count from season 1 - 5.

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She was beyond awful.