Let us overanalyze the Rocky movies....

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For all we know, it was Rocky that got Apollo killed.

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It was Rocky that got him killed. That's the only reason he fought Drago in the first place because he felt like he owed it to Apollo

Biggest flaw of the movies is that nobody ever put their hands up and every punch was so brutal

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The more interesting question for me is would Rocky have beaten Clubber the first time if Mickey would not have been dying? After being reluctant to train Rocky, Mickey seemed somewhat satisfied at the end that Rocky was ready and his last words of advice were to "take [his] time with him". Rocky was worried about Mickey and not getting good direction from his corner. If Mickey would not have been shoved, does Rocky draw Clubber into the 13th, 14th, 15th rounds and wear him down?

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I say had Mickey not been shoved. He would have lived. But still lost the fight with Clubber. He half assed his training. And was not in shape for the fight. As it is, even when Apollo trained him. They had to go for the quick knock out strategy. No way he could have lasted that many rounds vs Clubber.

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I never understood why there was no rubber match between Clubber and Rocky.

You would think that Rocky vs Clubber III would have been a required fight for Rocky to retain his title.

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Rocky dodged him afterward and Clubber was too overconfident to push for it prior to the 2nd fight.

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How did Rocky not think to endorse every product on Earth after Paulie blew his money in Rocky V? He had already endorsed stuff in Rocky II so this wasn't a foreign concept to him. Clean cut white American Heavyweight champion would make bank.

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Yeah let us say he had lost all his money. And was flat broke. He was still bankable. I knew he had trouble reading etc. But shoot, put him in commercials to endorse something. And tell someone to simply give him his lines. And I am sure they could have came out with more stuff to merchandise to make more money. Are you going to tell me his name was not worth a dam thing? And he was forced to go back to being broke, and back to the neighborhood where he was from?

Also, how old was Rocky by Rocky 5? I would say at least 36 or so. I seriously doubt that he would have won a street fight with Tommy Gunn, without Gunn coming back at some point and kicking his arse.

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Biggest flaw of the movies is that nobody ever put their hands up and every punch was so brutal

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Well yeah. But you pretty much accept that going into it.

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Biggest flaw of the movies is that nobody ever put their hands up and every punch was so brutal

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Ivan Drago averaged 1850 psi per punch. He killed Apollo in the ring. Yet Rocky was able to stand toe to toe with him for like 15 rounds.

Interesting how Adrian changed throughout each movie. First she was this shy girl, who you can damn near argue was borderline retard. She transforms into his "rock" so to speak. But after a while it seems like she is sick of his insecurities. Always having to reassure him. Tell him what to do. Telling him constantly everything was ok. You can tell she ran him after a while. She becomes a borderline bitch at times. Perhaps she grew to resent his constant neediness after a while???

If all it took was a push from Clubber Lang, he was going to suffer a heart attack eventually regardless. Those factors that lead to a heart attack accumulate and compound over time, they don't just happen because of a single stressful event. Mickey was a highly strung guy, it was just his time to go.

I think Rocky still loses that fight. He never fought anyone close to having Lang's power and needed to lose to know what it would take to win.

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Also, how old was Rocky by Rocky 5? I would say at least 36 or so. I seriously doubt that he would have won a street fight with Tommy Gunn, without Gunn coming back at some point and kicking his arse.

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He was old in boxing years in the 1st movie, he has the kid in the 2nd movie, and the kid's like 12-13 by Rocky V. I'd think the youngest he'd be is like 45, so yeah an active young boxer at the time should probably kill him. Especially considering Rocky's brain damage.