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re: Just watched Gravity on HBO
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:50 pm to tracytiger
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:50 pm to tracytiger
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No pausing the movie and my puffed up chest would be my big breasts.
The comment wasn't directed at you specifically. Just at anyone who thinks its possible to recreate a cinematic experience at home.
Unless you set aside a windowless room with an entire wall being a projector screen, you literally can't approach it.
But seriously........pics or GTFO
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Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:52 pm to tracytiger
Saw it in IMAX 3d and it was really just average.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:53 pm to illuminatic
I'm very critical of movies but this was a very good movie for it's intended purpose, which was to be seen in IMAX 3D. I was blown away after seeing it that way. Now I also said once was enough and it's not going to be the same at all in people's homes, which it's not. The movie deserved praise, although Bullocks performance was overrated.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 9:57 pm to OMLandshark
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But if you watch it on HBO on a couch on your 10 foot screen, a very familiar environment solely ruins the experience that Cuaron is trying to convey.
true, but that just shows the weakness of this as an overall film
it's a cool gimmick with interesting visuals dependent on a very idiosyncratic viewing experiene
otherwise, it pretty much sucks, as the "HBO experience" shows us
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:02 pm to OMLandshark
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And that's the point. You have a nice media room you're familiar with and love. No matter how amazing your media room is, that alone ruins the movie. A home environment can't produce the sheer isolation that a random seat in a theater can provide.
Sigh
I remember when they made movies for the cool stories and interesting characters and not special effects and great "visuals" and camera work
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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true, but that just shows the weakness of this as an overall film
It's not the point though. Gravity is more an experience than anything else. Its point is to convey the isolation, terror, and atmosphere of space. If you're in a room that you're heavily familiar with, that's just not going to happen.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:14 pm to OMLandshark
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It's not the point though.
pretty sure that was the point of the OP/thread
quote:and this is achieved only via gimmick, essentially. that's the overall point
It's point is to convey the isolation, terror, and atmosphere of space. If you're in a room that you're heavily familiar with, that's just not going to happen.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
My point though is, that in the right atmosphere, it is an incredible film. It does everything it sets out to do. On HBO, it doesn't even have that opportunity to do such, which I think makes any critical evaluation laughable from that point. You don't like it from the theater, fine; but from just watching it in your home, GTFO.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:20 pm to OMLandshark
quote:No it really isn't.
My point though is, that in the right atmosphere, it is an incredible film.
It is a film with neat 3-D effects and very good space visuals. In between that, we have weak arse dialog and turrible life saving hallucinations.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:22 pm to TigerMyth36
it was cool to watch in theaters. i've seen other cool movies that were not regarded on the same level
i also did just watch it on HBO. it was terrible. it highlights all of the horrible aspects of the movie
they could have made a movie that was much more effective at the stated goal OM describes had they written a better movie...namely one that was more minimalistic than what we saw (and lord no fricking sanda annoying arse fricking bullock whining all movie)
also, in theaters i laughed at the ending. she'd almost assuredly die where she landed
i also did just watch it on HBO. it was terrible. it highlights all of the horrible aspects of the movie
they could have made a movie that was much more effective at the stated goal OM describes had they written a better movie...namely one that was more minimalistic than what we saw (and lord no fricking sanda annoying arse fricking bullock whining all movie)
also, in theaters i laughed at the ending. she'd almost assuredly die where she landed
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:23 pm to TigerMyth36
The interesting thing about this debate is that so many of you hated Avatar for the same failing of Gravity. That is a fact.
Is the plot of Gravity as bad as Avatar? No because there isn't much of a plot. It is basically one long car chase in space.
Is the plot of Gravity as bad as Avatar? No because there isn't much of a plot. It is basically one long car chase in space.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:24 pm to TigerMyth36
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The interesting thing about this debate is that so many of you hated Avatar for the same failing of Gravity. That is a fact.
you read my mind on that one
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:28 pm to TigerMyth36
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The interesting thing about this debate is that so many of you hated Avatar for the same failing of Gravity. That is a fact.
Not a fact, that's being FAR too reductive.
And Gravity is nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be. I think Gravity finds a weird niche in that it isn't about turning your brain off like say a loud action movie, it's about letting yourself get sucked into the tension. Either you do or you don't. The experience of it, the visuals, are a part of that.
Either you do that or you don't and that really shapes the experience.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:33 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Not really. In fact, I've seen more people try to defend the plot and character development of Avatar than Gravity.
Not a fact, that's being FAR too reductive.
I haven't seen you or any of the major defenders of the movie try to defend the plot. So yes, it is a very similar debate to the Avatar debate.
You simply refuse to step back and see the similarities.
Both had stunning visuals and 3-D. Both had to be seen only on the big screen in 3-D.
Both had bad plots and dialog. Avatar had questionable character development. Gravity had none.
You and most of the defenders hated Avatar and yet you use the SAME argument PRO Gravity that you fought against for Avatar. yes, it is a fact.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:39 pm to TigerMyth36
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You and most of the defenders hated Avatar and yet you use the SAME argument PRO Gravity that you fought against for Avatar. yes, it is a fact.
Want to know my opinion? No? That's okay, here it is anyway.
"Avatar" was an absurd, juvenile, boring piece of crap that made my head hurt after the first 45 minutes. Then pissed me the frick off when I realized I had to sit in the theater for another two goddamned hours. Unlike "Gravity" it tried to be more than it was.
All that "Gravity" aspired to be was a visually stunning movie that captured the isolation, loneliness and terror of being stranded in space. It did that very well.
And anyone who spews silliness like "it sucked", "meh", "it blew chunks" can't be taken seriously. If it wasn't your kind of movie, that's fine. But don't embarrass yourselves with dumbass remarks.
This post was edited on 7/12/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:43 pm to VOR
it was cool to watch in 3d in a movie theater...for about half the movie. the other half sucked
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:44 pm to VOR
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And anyone who spews silliness like "it sucked", "meh", "it blew chunks" can't be taken seriously.
Why? The OP thinking the movie sucked and giving no real valid criticism gave way to the rest of the awesome thread.
Plus if you took out all the Meh it sucked threads, Chicken would lose 91% of the traffic on the movie board.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:44 pm to TigerMyth36
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I haven't seen you or any of the major defenders of the movie try to defend the plot. So yes, it is a very similar debate to the Avatar debate.
You simply refuse to step back and see the similarities.
Actually I did. Far back in the Gravity thread. I said the simplicity of the plot was necessary and valid. It didn't NEED a grand story, and that's the big difference between it an Avatar.
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Both had stunning visuals and 3-D. Both had to be seen only on the big screen in 3-D.
Both had bad plots and dialog. Avatar had questionable character development. Gravity had none.
You and most of the defenders hated Avatar and yet you use the SAME argument PRO Gravity that you fought against for Avatar. yes, it is a fact.
No it isn't. This is way too reductive. These are far from similar films. To say that this is similar means that the films follow similar lines, that they have the same kind of goal, which they don't. If you told Cameron that the point of Avatar was to be a pretty movie, he'd slap you.
The man was concerned with myth-making and world building. He focused on grand stories. Heroes, scenery chewing villains, Big explosions, a transcendence of mankind almost. He was trying to create the next giant space opera.
If you couldn't tell that the film tried to be more than
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stunning visuals and 3-D. Both had to be seen only on the big screen in 3-D.
then I'm sorry you're just wrong. Did Cameron want his movie to be intense? Sure. Did he want it to be a spectacle? Yes. But he also had massive political statements behind his film. He was TRYING for a grand story arc that created an entire new universe for people to explore. He even had video games in mind when he designed the film. Again, he was reaching high, and he failed miserably, because..
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bad plots and dialog. Avatar had questionable character development.
I don't like Gravity because it HAS no story, because that isn't the point. Gravity isn't trying to have a complex story that gets in the way of the intense action. Like I said above, Gravity was all about willing to let yourself be taken on the ride. Literally. A ride. The film was a visual ride. The story's simplicity was meant to allow everything else to occur.
Now we can argue whether or not that's a worthwhile experience. The difference between Avatar and Gravity is that Gravity succeeded in what it set out to do, while Avatar didn't. Avatar was laughably bad at points. And yes it ENDED UP a simple visual feast, but that wasn't the point of Avatar.
Gravity wasn't trying to be a political statement. It wasn't trying to tell this grand story arc. It wasn't building a universe. It was a relatively simple tale of ONE SINGLE PERSON learning how to cope. It worked well enough, and low key enough, to let the audience kind of place themselves in her shoes in terms of the action.
Just look at the scope, Avatar was trying to develop a CIVILIZATION. Gravity was looking at one single person. Those are two completely different films.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:45 pm to TigerMyth36
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The interesting thing about this debate is that so many of you hated Avatar for the same failing of Gravity. That is a fact.
Is the plot of Gravity as bad as Avatar? No because there isn't much of a plot. It is basically one long car chase in space.
Avatar was manipulative bullshite in order to sell as many tickets as possible, start a new industry, and to spread a bullshite ideology. James Cameron is a great film maker, and I know that there wasn't a single line of wasted dialog. It is an incredibly efficient film that knows what it wants, but it's terrible in the end. Yes, it achieves everything it wanted to achieve, but it's terrible manipulative shite it wanted to achieve, so I can't forgive it.
Gravity is pretty straight forward on the other hand: convey the terror of space. It wants to really do nothing more than that, and it completely succeeds, and I love the film for it. Those two films were going for something completely different, and I find it insulting when they're often paired together.
Posted on 7/12/14 at 10:47 pm to OMLandshark
I love it when two posters in a row pretty much agree with my analysis.
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