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re: Just rewatched GOTG2...

Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:40 pm to
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I don't know... do you do any editing of digital photos?


Yeah...I do actually.

I'm not arguing at all about that stuff...even if I know it'll trigger FewerKilometers and get him into this... The difference between a Snyder nightmare colored movie and what James Gunn put on screen (I actually think the best example of the colors was them arriving at Ego's planets and watching the bubbles fly by. Just incredible) is night and day...pun intended.

Hey, based on your response, it sounds like you took my question as being snarky. Sorry if you did, I didn't mean it that way

I used to really get into photoshopping stuff years ago, I found Gimp back in the extremaly early versions (.15 I think, it was before 2000 for sure). I think I had PSP 5 back then, too. played around with some 3d software a lot too, and having to integrate the workflow to get a good render took some work.

Having done that, you pick up an eye for what looks like hue and burn layers, overlays, etc.
Snyder pushes things to a pretty wide range, but then pulls it all down to a real dark zero. His baseline is basically indoor shadow without any light, and seems to go heavily into increased sharpness and contrast. His approach to color is to drop it all under 20%, basically a monochrome approach, but with a slight overlay of tint. It can look very cool (all of this can), but can also look bleak and drab too.

Gunn went the entirely opposite direction- he's got HDR across the board, and layers upon layers of vivid oversaturation in this. The gunblasts and surrounding smoke are neon green, purple, red and blue. The character lighting (look at baby groot) are that way too. He pulled it off beautifully, and avoided overdoing it to the point that it was TOO psychedelic to follow.

I remember talking to some CGI guys over a decade ago, they said that color was a tough issue to deal with at the time to match live action, they basically set diffuse saturation levels to around 10% over a grayscale base, and then brightened it up with specular levels adding more "color" to the highlight areas. That way, it didn't look like it was glowing or a cell overlay. In other words your "blue" jeans aren't really blue, they are extremely gray, with a slight level of blue specular in the non-shadowed areas.

I imagine most movies are still using some variant of Cinepaint (a Gimp fork that works with frames) tweaked in-house to do their work, and some version of Maya or similar to do the actual CGI modelling, Lightwave or similar for renders, and tweaking shite to get the renders to match into the live scene.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20405 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:56 pm to
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the retro music is used properly


There were a few songs I felt were poorly chosen (will need to rewatch for the specifics), almost to the level of being picked by using a blindfold and a dart.


I grew up in the 70's and 80's, and I can tell you the radio playlist then doesn't sound like what is now being marketed for that. It wasn't unusual to hear Donna Summer followed by ELO, followed by the Eagles, Commodores, David Bowie, KISS, Andy Gibb, all on the same station. Things were pretty random at the time.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:04 pm to
Drax was the star of the movie IMO
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:07 pm to
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what an open slap in the face directed squarely at DC
yeah, how dare they try to make a shittier movie than BvS. the frick. at least they didn't succeed.

it's meh at best, but BvS is an epic turd.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 4:35 pm to
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Hey, based on your response, it sounds like you took my question as being snarky. Sorry if you did, I didn't mean it that way


Nah, not at all! Sorry...sometimes it's hard to get stuff like that across. I was just trying to say that wasn't my real point, but that I knew what you meant and agreed. I do graphic design work, so I'm messing with Photoshop more than I'd like most days.

And...just to piss the usual suspects off again...this may very well be part of why Skyder's reliance on so much CGI seems to look so terrible while Gunn's use of a similar amount doesn't feel as forced. then you get to movies like Winter Solider or Civil War that had tons, but so many of those shots were daylight ones depicting the real world, and it gets even more obvious.

Like you said...Snyder's got a look and a style. Some dig it. Mostly, though that can differ depending on the movie or subject IN the movie, I'm not a fan of everything washed out, too dark to see anything, trash flying everywhere, etc.

To bring it back to GOTG2 though...I'm n the bag for this movie. For whatever reason, it really did strike a chord with me. Ended up seeing it in the theater 3 times with my boys. Made me smile like a kid every time.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37279 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:07 pm to
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I'm kind of in the Kevin Smith camp on this one. I REALLY liked this one, even as much as I liked the first one. This movie, more than most I've seen in a while, really makes me think about it quite often. Not exactly sure why, but I do.

Now...you want a shot at DC? Truth be told, when Ego smashes Peter's Walkman I cared 100x more about that loss than I did at any point in any of the DC movies, including Wonder Woman which I liked a lot. For 2 movie we grew to know just how much that item meant to him, and the loss of it MATTERED.

Waiting for the blueray...


This. I was entertained by the first one. And I generally find it to be top tier of comic films, but GOTG2 has something that just stuck. I need to watch it again on blu ray when it comes out. I REALLY like it as well on some level that I really can't pinpoint.

Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18294 posts
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:11 pm to
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Man, what an open slap in the face directed squarely at DC


Yeah... No

DC isn't taking up real estate in the minds of marvel even 1/10 the amount they are for marvel Fanboys
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 6:19 pm
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