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re: 'Joker: Folie a Deux' Official Trailer #1
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Yeah you can't get that from a 2 minute teaser.
Actually, you can. You can extrapolate a lot from a 2 minute teaser. You can make inferences of what the tone is going to be like, the acting styles, the cinematography, etc.
The first film was so damn good because the “violent” scenes were done to advance the story. It wasn’t over-the-top and was kept grounded in reality. The story was simple yet executed so brilliantly.
From what I can tell, this movie is looking like it’s going to be the complete polar opposite of that.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 9:28 pm
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:35 pm to VoxDawg
She's gonna be fantastic this movie is gonna be a smash hit.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:46 pm to Peter167
#NotMyJoker
I think I’ll pass on another 2 and a half hour case study on mental illness
I think I’ll pass on another 2 and a half hour case study on mental illness
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:56 pm to Freauxzen
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Wrong take. When people ask for creativity they want to see the stories they know done right in film.
That’s not creativity. That’s copy and pasting.
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Where's the Dick Grayson film? Hes way more interesting than the Joker.
There was just a 4 season Max show starring Dick Grayson. Nobody watched it because it was trash outside of the wheelchair fight.
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John Stewart? Martian Manhunter would have made for a better off kilter film.
This looks dumb. What's the appeal here?
You’re about to get all of this with Gunn’s reboot of the DCEU. The appeal is we are getting another movie that isn’t beholden to a cinematic universe, which seems to be the only DC movies they are capable of making that aren’t dogshit and actually make money.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:59 pm to Esquire
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That’s not creativity. That’s copy and pasting.
At the most basic level, sure. But they haven't been done "on film," so there is a difference.
Why do you think these movies are popular in the first place. It's not because Bruce Wayne is some new character we've never seen before.
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There was just a 4 season Max show starring Dick Grayson. Nobody watched it because it was trash outside of the wheelchair fight.
Because it's Max and came out at Peak "too many streaming services time." And yes, TV is a perilous place for superheroes as getting the "big feel" of a comic book right on TV is hard to do.
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The appeal is we are getting another movie that isn’t beholden to a cinematic universe, which seems to be the only DC movies they are capable of making that aren’t dogshit and actually make money.
Again, "the universe" and the interaction of characters is precisely why these characters have lasted 50+ years. It's not because we saw Joker once in a comic book and never again.
The Joker, removed from the universe, removed from who he is, is not an interesting character - and that's why the first movie isn't interesting and doesn't last. (Yes, he was "in" the universe, but not REALLY. It was a cheap mechanism)
It's just a movie about a crazy person. It's not THE Joker. Without the connection to a bigger story, to chasing Batman dozens of time, to the history of the character, it's literally not even the Joker.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:48 pm to finchmeister08
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Lots of comments predicting this movie will take place in Joker’s mind. Or maybe in Harley’s mind. Interesting if true.
I think Phillips will flip it and Harley is the abuser here.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:10 am to RLDSC FAN
wait people here thought margot robbie was good as harley quinn? she might legit be in my top 5 most annoying movie characters ever. hope gaga's is a little darker and not as goofy
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:21 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Easy to dunk on this but I'm willing to give it a chance.
I was very critical of the casting, but I'll give it a shot. What made the first one so successful to me was that for the first time on screen that I can remember, you were immediately faced with the reality that the Joker is a legit mentally-ill individual who just happens to go on a crime spree.
The best villains toe that line of being 49% relatable, and I think Phillips did an outstanding job of communicating Arthur's illness and just how fed up with the world he was.
I'm definitely in the camp of folks who think that much of this happens in either or both of their heads, and if it turns out that HQ is the abuser in the relationship, (at least at first) then that wouldn't shock me in the least.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:31 am to VoxDawg
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Joker is a legit mentally-ill individual who just happens to go on a crime spree.
The best villains toe that line of being 49% relatable, and I think Phillips did an outstanding job of communicating Arthur's illness and just how fed up with the world he was
I don't agree that they made Joker very relatable here, as it was a bit too dark for a lot of people to relate to. It did make him interesting, just not relatable to most.
My issues with the first film are
1) This Joker is old as shite for an origin story. Some argue he didn't need an origin, I could go either way if done right but this is not done right.
2) Old and nothing alludes to him being capable of hatching brilliant plans. Even if he got letters and ideas from fans and such, nothing suggests he could put it together. At this age, this stage of loser, and going to Arkham, nothing is going to change him to being a criminal mastermind
I don't hate the idea of the first or even this film if it wasn't named Joker. I'm even a little intrigued to see what Gaga can do with the character and even the "musical" aspect can be done right by good director/writers. But none of that adds up to being tied to Batman/Joker.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:43 am to RLDSC FAN
Ain’t seen the first, won’t see this one either. Tired of being fed comic book trash.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:46 am to Doug_H
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I don't agree that they made Joker very relatable here,
Excellent point, and I should've clarified. The best villains are 49% relatable, and while most folks can't tap into their own sort of struggles with mental health like Arthur experiences, he can generate sympathy for how his illness robs him of having a life in our typical sense.
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I don't hate the idea of the first or even this film if it wasn't named Joker.
I am in complete agreement. The first film would've been every bit as visceral if it hadn't been set in Gotham with little nods here and there.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:49 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:FIFY
Yeah you can't get that from a 2 minute teaser. Joker take
I’ll be around all week ladies and germs
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:53 am to JawjaTigah
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Ain’t seen the first, won’t see this one either. Tired of being fed comic book trash.
That's fine and all, but why even come into this thread?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:01 am to RLDSC FAN
I agree with what everyone is saying that most of this takes place in his mind. The trailer makes it feel "Sucker Punch" knock off as a musical.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:08 am to Doug_H
The comic book fanboys that can only view these two movies in relation to other superhero movies and not in isolation will be disappointed again. People who are sick of the prequel/sequel/universe comic movies will be able to enjoy it. I don't care if this Joker ever tangles with Batman or Robin or starts a series of 10 movies. Do something original and entertain me for 1.5 hours like the first one did.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:23 am to FairhopeTider
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Maybe it’s just me, but the flaw of this movie (and any spinoff type movie) is the absence of Batman. We’re going to be two Joker movies in without a Batman appearance?
Not that I’m yearning for Todd Phillips version of Batman or anything.
This take suffers from the belief that these are comic book films
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:24 am to JawjaTigah
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Ain’t seen the first, won’t see this one either. Tired of being fed comic book trash.
You're in luck.
These films have barely anything to do with comics.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:27 am to rebelrouser
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The comic book fanboys that can only view these two movies in relation to other superhero movies and not in isolation will be disappointed again. People who are sick of the prequel/sequel/universe comic movies will be able to enjoy it. I don't care if this Joker ever tangles with Batman or Robin or starts a series of 10 movies. Do something original and entertain me for 1.5 hours like the first one did.
First, if you aren't a comic book nerd then literally every Joker film will be original to you. So why not tell one of the other Batman/Joker tied stories? There sre some great ones.
Second, again, if the point is not to connect it to anything, then why connect it to anything?
This is the Prometheus problem all over again.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:53 am to Freauxzen
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First, if you aren't a comic book nerd then literally every Joker film will be original to you. So why not tell one of the other Batman/Joker tied stories?
Matt Reeves and James Gunn will make these. Do you really need three live action Batmen at the same time?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:04 am to Esquire
I’m far from a Batman fanboy. In fact I’ve always been one to say Batman has been way over done and they should have stopped with the 3rd Nolan film. With that being said I saw Joker opening day because it looked like a dark character study rather than a super hero movie. While I was watching I thought man this is slow, then the ending happened. I walked out thinking it was ok but afterwards the movie stuck with me for awhile and I came to the conclusion that it was great. Excited for part 2
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