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re: Is Tom Hanks considered one of the best actors of all time?
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:30 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:30 pm to RollTide1987
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Jack Nicholson plays Jack Nicholson in pretty much every movie he's in. His only truly legendary performance was One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Admittedly I'd rank that above Tom Hanks in his legendary role (Forrest Gump) but Nicholson is about on the same level as Tom Hanks.
You must not be familiar with Nicholson's early work. You're right about him not showing a lot of range in recent years but his characters in Easy Rider and Five Easy Pieces were completely different from his usual roles. He also gave a legendary performance in Chinatown so you're off about OFOTCN being his only great performance. I'm not saying Nicholson is as great as De Niro. He certainly isn't but you're not giving him enough credit if you think he's on the same level as Tom Hanks. Nicholson's a far better actor than Hanks could ever dream of being.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:32 pm to Bench McElroy
agree, Jack N is better then Hanks.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:49 pm to Iona Fan Man
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overrated film actors, great stage actors
James Cagney is a bad example. If there's one actor from old Hollywood who was way ahead of their time and had an acting style that would fit in well today, it was James Cagney. When I watch him on screen, I see another Brando, De Niro, Pacino. He was like a current-day actor the way he delivered his lines, the inflections in his voice, his mannerisms, the facial expressions, the intensity that he displayed on screen. His characters were legitimately frightening on-screen which is pretty rare for characters from those times. Cagney was also by far the most versatile actor from his era. I agree with you that a lot of actors from those days wouldn't make it today but Cagney would definitely still be successful in this era.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:51 pm to Bench McElroy
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Nicholson's a far better actor than Hanks could ever dream of being.
There's a difference between legendary movies and legendary performances. The movies you listed above featured Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson in two films that are among the greatest of all-time.
The difference between Hanks and Nicholson is that Nicholson took roles in more challenging films. After his successes in Philadelphia and Forrest Gump, Tom Hanks could have done anything he wanted but he never wanted to get out of his comfort zone and chose to star in more mainstream films.
That really is the only difference between the two men, that and the fact that Nicholson's charisma is far greater than that of Hanks.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:02 pm to RollTide1987
..I'd personally love to see Hanks as an "ax wielding maniac" at least once in his career.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 4:17 pm to SEClint
WILSON...... I'M SORRY WILSON
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:08 pm to prplhze2000
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You rate him over Raines and Burton? Give me a fricking break.
Over Burton easily - Raines I'll give it a push.
Both could pull off comedy and drama.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:10 pm to SEClint
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..I'd personally love to see Hanks as an "ax wielding maniac" at least once in his career.
Closest he ever came (and will ever come) to that was Road to Perdition. He played a mafia hit man.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:11 pm to Bench McElroy
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You must not be familiar with Nicholson's early work. You're right about him not showing a lot of range in recent years but his characters in Easy Rider and Five Easy Pieces were completely different from his usual roles. He also gave a legendary performance in Chinatown so you're off about OFOTCN being his only great performance. I'm not saying Nicholson is as great as De Niro. He certainly isn't but you're not giving him enough credit if you think he's on the same level as Tom Hanks. Nicholson's a far better actor than Hanks could ever dream of being.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Nicholson is low tier of modern great actors, but he has more great performances than other celebrated stars like Hanks.
He has slipped in recent years admittedly.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:16 pm to RollTide1987
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There's a difference between legendary movies and legendary performances. The movies you listed above featured Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson in two films that are among the greatest of all-time.
False. Chinatown. Five Easy Pieces. The Last Detail. The Shining. As Good as It Gets. Cuckoo. Prizzi. The Pledge?
I wouldn't argue against Nicholson being below some of the other Top Tier actors, but he's certainly above Hanks by quite a bit.
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The difference between Hanks and Nicholson is that Nicholson took roles in more challenging films. After his successes in Philadelphia and Forrest Gump, Tom Hanks could have done anything he wanted but he never wanted to get out of his comfort zone and chose to star in more mainstream films.
Which means he took less chances, which exactly goes AGAINST him being a great actor. Being great is also about taking risks, doing things out of your comfort zone. Although Hanks MAY have the skill (that IS debatable) he rarely shows it.
He chose to go another less acting-focused route.
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That really is the only difference between the two men, that and the fact that Nicholson's charisma is far greater than that of Hanks.
Disagree here as well. Nicholson has FAR better screen presence, but less charisma. Hanks thrives on charisma. Nicholson on Intensity.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:41 pm to Freauxzen
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You don't go see Tom Hanks movies because you want to see how he gets lost in a role (a la Brando, Hoffman, De Niro, modern day DDL or Oldman). You see and enjoy Tom Hanks because he's comfortable to watch. Because he's familiar.
You think in Philadelphia, Cast away, Big, and Forrest Gump he played the same character?
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:48 pm to Breesus
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You think in Philadelphia, Cast away, Big, and Forrest Gump he played the same character?
Of course not. They all had different names. They were all within the realm of the same larger persona despite their different situations. I never said they were the same character.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:51 pm to Freauxzen
Hoffman gets lost in a role. He's the kind of guy you dont remeber its him while you are watching the movie he sells his roles so well.
DeNiro? Really? He plays the exact same character in every movie he's ever been in.
Brando is a great movie star as well. People go to a movie to see him in it. I would use your exact description of Tom Hanks for Brando.
I think Hanks is a great actor and dont think Cast Away and Forrest Gump are in the same realm of a larger persona.
DeNiro? Really? He plays the exact same character in every movie he's ever been in.
Brando is a great movie star as well. People go to a movie to see him in it. I would use your exact description of Tom Hanks for Brando.
I think Hanks is a great actor and dont think Cast Away and Forrest Gump are in the same realm of a larger persona.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 2/24/13 at 5:58 pm to Breesus
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DeNiro? Really? He plays the exact same character in every movie he's ever been in.
Like Nicholson, in modern times, there's no argument against that. But Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, GF2, etc.
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Brando is a great movie star as well. People go to a movie to see him in it. I would use your exact description of Tom Hanks for Brando.
It's not an insult against Hank. Brando is one of the very very few who's skill transcends his fame.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/24/13 at 6:01 pm to Freauxzen
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But Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, GF2, etc.
How can you say those are completely different "lose yourself" roles, but Cast Away, Big, Philidelphia, and Forrest Gump are merely adaptations of the same persona?
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It;s not an insult against Hank.
Agreed. I didnt think of it that way. I dont know who Hank is.
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Brandon is one of the very very few who's skill transcends his fame.
Brandon is a great actor. Brando is a great movie star
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/24/13 at 6:08 pm to Breesus
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How can you say those are completely different "lose yourself" roles, but Cast Away, Big, Philidelphia, and Forrest Gump are merely adaptations of the same persona?
Cast Away was really just a more mature Josh Baskins lost on an island. He wasn't a different character. It's very clear if you watch both films.
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Philidelphia
Is Hank's best performance I won't debate that this one film is outside of his comfort zone, but it's one of three.
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Forrest Gump
Is an up and down performance, and a bit of a caricature. Hoffman's performance was better, more nuanced. It was slightly outside of his comfort, I'l give you that, but there's still a lot of Hanks in there.
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I didnt think of it that way.
Yeah but coming back with Brando was kind of a reaction against the Hanks comments.
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Brando is a great movie star
Brando is a great actor, that's not even up for debate.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:16 pm to tigerfan84
Only movie I ever liked that he made was Lady Killers .Am I deranged ?
Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:38 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
De Niro plays the same role in every film? Really?
Goodfellas and Meet the Parents?
I also thought Road to Perdition was underrated...only thing that holds it back though was the damn photographer assassin. I hated that character
Goodfellas and Meet the Parents?
I also thought Road to Perdition was underrated...only thing that holds it back though was the damn photographer assassin. I hated that character
Posted on 2/26/13 at 12:22 am to Froman
1 Robert De Niro
Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Godfather II and Goodfellas
2 Al Pacino
Scent of a Woman ,Godfather, Scarface and The Devil's Advocate
3 Marlon Brando
A Streetcar Named Desire, The Godfather and Apocalypse Now
4 James Stewart
Harvey, It’s a Wonderful Life, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Rear Window, and How the West was Won
5 Henry Fonda
Once Upon a Time in the West, The Grapes of Wrath, Mister Roberts, Cheyenne Social Club, and 12 Angry Men.
6 Jack Nicholson
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Five Easy Pieces, Carnal Knowledge, and Chinatown
7 Daniel Day-Lewis
Lincoln, Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood
8 Johnny Depp
Edward Scissorhands, Pirates, Ed Wood and Donnie Brasco
9 Anthony Hopkins
Silence of the Lambs, Remains of the Day and The Elephant Man
10 Paul Newman
The Sting, The Hustler, Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke, and Hud
11 Michael Caine
Alfie, Sleuth, Miss Congeniality, The Italian Job, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, and The Dark Knight
12 Sean Connery
Highlander, Bond, Hunt for Red October, and Indiana Jones
13 Dustin Hoffman
Rain Man, Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Papillon and Tootsie
14 Cary Grant
Operation Petticoat, To Catch a Thief, His Girl Friday, Arsenic and Old Lace and North by Northwest
15 Clint Eastwood
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the Man With No Name, Dirty Harry and Unforgiven.
16 Gregory Peck
To Kill a Mockingbird, MacArthur, The Omen, Roman Holiday and Gentlemen's Agreement
17 Gene Hackman
Hoosiers, No Way Out, The French Connection, Bonnie and Clyde, and The Conversation
18 Peter Sellers
Dr. Strangelove. Pink Panther, and Being There
19 Tom Hanks
Big, Splash, Philadelphia and Forrest Gump
Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Godfather II and Goodfellas
2 Al Pacino
Scent of a Woman ,Godfather, Scarface and The Devil's Advocate
3 Marlon Brando
A Streetcar Named Desire, The Godfather and Apocalypse Now
4 James Stewart
Harvey, It’s a Wonderful Life, and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Rear Window, and How the West was Won
5 Henry Fonda
Once Upon a Time in the West, The Grapes of Wrath, Mister Roberts, Cheyenne Social Club, and 12 Angry Men.
6 Jack Nicholson
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Five Easy Pieces, Carnal Knowledge, and Chinatown
7 Daniel Day-Lewis
Lincoln, Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood
8 Johnny Depp
Edward Scissorhands, Pirates, Ed Wood and Donnie Brasco
9 Anthony Hopkins
Silence of the Lambs, Remains of the Day and The Elephant Man
10 Paul Newman
The Sting, The Hustler, Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke, and Hud
11 Michael Caine
Alfie, Sleuth, Miss Congeniality, The Italian Job, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, and The Dark Knight
12 Sean Connery
Highlander, Bond, Hunt for Red October, and Indiana Jones
13 Dustin Hoffman
Rain Man, Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Papillon and Tootsie
14 Cary Grant
Operation Petticoat, To Catch a Thief, His Girl Friday, Arsenic and Old Lace and North by Northwest
15 Clint Eastwood
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the Man With No Name, Dirty Harry and Unforgiven.
16 Gregory Peck
To Kill a Mockingbird, MacArthur, The Omen, Roman Holiday and Gentlemen's Agreement
17 Gene Hackman
Hoosiers, No Way Out, The French Connection, Bonnie and Clyde, and The Conversation
18 Peter Sellers
Dr. Strangelove. Pink Panther, and Being There
19 Tom Hanks
Big, Splash, Philadelphia and Forrest Gump
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