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Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:26 am to AjaxFury
Quicksilver couldn't keep up with the Flash if he was jogging.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:32 am to Sentrius
Take that gay shite to the beauty and the beast thread. Nobody here wants to see Superman and flash make out.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 12:32 pm to AjaxFury
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Shouldn't the better question be: WHO IS FASTER?
DC's Flash.......or Marvel's Quicksilver
No because the answer is obvious. Quicksilver is faster than a bullet. Flash is faster than light. One contends for the most powerful being in the universe, the other contends with the X Men. Quicksilver's sister is far more powerful than he ever thought about being. Plus he's a frick up.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 2:05 pm to weagle99
If were basing this off the TV Show, then no. Main reason is that he is a bitch.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 2:27 pm to weagle99
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Is The Flash the most powerful superhero?
Yes, but for no other reason than DC reorganized it's whole universe around the Speed Force.
So in an idealistic scenario, in the DC specific universe, sure.
But in neutral territory or the Marvel Universe, No.
You can take Superman out of the "DC Universe" and put him in some other universe, and he loses 0 power (unless that Universe doesn't have a sun, different discussion). The Speed Force is a completely different "theory" for the power behind an entire universe.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 2:34 pm to GumboDave
In the TV show as far as I know the very fastest he has gone has been about 0.0015% the speed of light. So basically the comics flash would think tv flash was barely faster than a normal human.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 3:37 pm to UMRealist
Since this got bumped, what the hell is Unhinged Gohan? I did a google and Youtube search and found nothing but fan fiction.
Gohan isn't even a top 5 anymore in the DB Super universe.
Gohan isn't even a top 5 anymore in the DB Super universe.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 3:39 pm to ThoseGuys
Gohan's potential powerlevel >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else in the dragon ball universe
Posted on 3/21/17 at 3:52 pm to theunknownknight
Gohan has always been a bitch in DBZ. They keep hyping him up but Goku always has to be the one who actually saves the day. Gohan has never had the desire to be the best because he isn't a pure blood like Vegeta and Goku. They always push for the next level while Gohan has others help him (i.e. Potential Unlocked or Mystic Gohan). Saying Gohan should be the strongest is like saying Shaq should have been the best NBA player.
When Gohan wasn't strong enough to fight Beerus (obviously not defeat him but at least give him a go like Vegeta did) or Golden Frieza, Gohan never pushes himself to be stronger than they were. Gohan is overrated as hell.
When Gohan wasn't strong enough to fight Beerus (obviously not defeat him but at least give him a go like Vegeta did) or Golden Frieza, Gohan never pushes himself to be stronger than they were. Gohan is overrated as hell.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 4:02 pm to Freauxzen
I don't know how all the speed force stuff works. But just being a guy who can run at light speed alone makes him almost unbeatable if he isn't a puss like in the tv show. He'd still need krytonite to hurt Superman but I don't know how anyone else could handle him. That goes for Hulk and Thor too.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 4:10 pm to ThoseGuys
You got that all wrong. Gohan was always innately more powerful than anyone. So much so, the writers had to retcon him into a little bitch just so the story could continue.
If Gohan was allowed to be fully unleashed in the show, every fight would last 10 seconds.
If Gohan was allowed to be fully unleashed in the show, every fight would last 10 seconds.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 4:22 pm to biglego
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I don't know how all the speed force stuff works. But just being a guy who can run at light speed alone makes him almost unbeatable if he isn't a puss like in the tv show. He'd still need krytonite to hurt Superman but I don't know how anyone else could handle him. That goes for Hulk and Thor too.
Initially though, neither Garrick or Allen could run at Lightspeed. They were just "super fast." It was the speeding up of Allen then the retconning of the Speed Force that turned any Flash into a a demigod.
Also Thor, Superman, Silver Surfer, Shazam, some of the Green Lanterns, and a bunch of "non-speedster" heroes move at light speed.
That's why they needed speedsters to amp it up through the Speed Force.
The Speed Force is also stupid for these conversations, and is a tool strictly for narrative purposes. Therefore, even just vanilla non-Speed Force Flash, no. That title, without the Myxplyxs and Beyonders in the equation, is up for grabs to the Thors, Supermans, etc.
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:34 pm to Freauxzen
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That title, without the Myxplyxs and Beyonders in the equation, is up for grabs to the Thors, Supermans, etc.
I don't consider Beyonder or any of the Marvel celestial beings to be super heroes. I'm not familiar with D.C. equivalents.
The speed force does sound dumb. I'm only familiar with Flash through the show and I haven't watched the latest season.
I've read a lot of Thor (but not in the past 20 years) and he never moved anywhere near light speed. Silver Surfer is very fast but was he light speed? That'd be reasonable actually since he flies through space. So he'd be tough for Flash on paper but he never displays such speed in fights. Manhattan is god like so he'd be tough for Flash. He's practically the Beyonder.
The strong Marvel characters which I'm more familiar with, like Hulk and Thor, aren't as invulnerable as Superman. They can be hurt, Thor especially. Superman seems untouchable without kryptonite plus he's got great speed too. That's why I say Flash couldn't hurt Supes but give Flash a butcher knife and he'd carve up most everyone else.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:55 pm to biglego
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I don't consider Beyonder or any of the Marvel celestial beings to be super heroes. I'm not familiar with D.C. equivalents.
Right. Mister Mxyzptlk is a DC equivalent to the characters who are basically gods. Like I said, if they aren't in the equation I agree, it's a different discussion.
Manhattan is also not a superhero and is a demi-god, so I'd put him in that group.
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I've read a lot of Thor (but not in the past 20 years) and he never moved anywhere near light speed. Silver Surfer is very fast but was he light speed? That'd be reasonable actually since he flies through space. So he'd be tough for Flash on paper but he never displays such speed in fights. Manhattan is god like so he'd be tough for Flash. He's practically the Beyonder.
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The Surfer can navigate through interstellar space[66] and hyperspace, which he can enter after exceeding the speed of light.[67] He has proven capable of time travel on several occasions, even able to make others time-travel with him.[68]
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The strong Marvel characters which I'm more familiar with, like Hulk and Thor, aren't as invulnerable as Superman. They can be hurt, Thor especially. Superman seems untouchable without kryptonite plus he's got great speed too. That's why I say Flash couldn't hurt Supes but give Flash a butcher knife and he'd carve up most everyone else.
Superman is also an issue. Although not like the Flash where it takes the core of his power literally driving reality itself, Superman is just often too powerful for narrative purposes rather than being distinctly consistent.
And Superman's big weakness is Magic too, not just Kryptonite.
I mean, theoretically, Hulk has infinite strength, but because of the dumb Marvel vs. DC stuff, and the needs to artificially limit that kind of strength, people put big limits on him.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:23 pm to Freauxzen
A Flash/Thor rematch must happen.
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!
Flash tGOAT
I DEMAND A RECOUNT!
Flash tGOAT
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:27 pm to Freauxzen
Thor could deliver a blow of 8.91e+29 Joules with his hammer if flying at maximum speed. That would be about 2,000,000 times the energy of the chicxulub asteroid, which is thought to have caused a worldwide extinction level event.
And there is literally no way superman could see or sense this coming.
And there is literally no way superman could see or sense this coming.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:30 pm to lagallifrey
Flash could just zip back in time and kick Thor in the jmmy.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:34 pm to theunknownknight
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Flash could just zip back in time and kick Thor in the jmmy.
True. But he'd probably create a disastrous timeline where his friends/family died so he'd have to undo it.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 6:41 pm to Freauxzen
Well I stand corrected. Thor is fast. But he doesn't display that speed in fights like Flash or quicksilver do. If he did, if he just zipped around enemies bludgeoning them with his hammer, he'd be invincible. You're right, it's the needs of the plots which make these powers inconsistent and therefore impossible to measure against each other.
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