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re: If Luke has these great Jedi powers, then why is he dragging his near dead dad?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:04 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:04 pm to Dr RC
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An amateur Jedi that did what no other Jedi could do: Defeat Vader. ehh... did he really though?
No.
Vader really only beat up on a bunch of younglings. He got his arse beat by Obi-Wan and there really weren't any other Jedi to face him due to Order 66.
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:09 pm to lsutigerfan1976
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Maybe a minor gripe from me. But the emperor gets hit by lightning, and his face and body are permantly scarred. Luke gets hit by lightning, for a good bit. And he is fine. No permanent scars on him. What's up with that huh?
When Palpatine got scarred up fighting Mace Fury he was fighting for his life and probably using his max power.
When he was shocking the shite outta Luke he was merely trying to bring him to the Dark Side to replace Vader. He didn't want to melt Luke's face.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:09 pm to Bamatab
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I'm pretty sure he was trying to kill Luke at that point since Luke had rejected the dark side. And I also don't buy the fact that he hadn't mastered the force lightening when he fought Mace. He had been a Sith lord for a long time, and had deceived all of the Jedi during that whole time. Plus he had trained at least 2 other Siths (one of which he taught to use the lightening). Not to mention he went toe to toe with Yoda.
I think it also came from the fact that the Emperor wanted to more or less torture Luke to death while with Mace he just wanted him dead quickly so he powered the lightning up to 11 for that fight.
Plus, there was some distance between the Emperor and Luke while the Emperor got his own lightning thrown back at him at a distance of about six inches.
Though the whole "force mask" theory has a lot of merit.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:15 pm to Walking the Earth
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Though the whole "force mask" theory has a lot of merit.
You can go from this
to this
without leaving your easy chair!
Call 1-800-DarkSide today!
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:24 pm to Dr RC
The Emperor was deliberately creating a moral choice for both Luke and Vader. A Xanatos Gambit if you will. Luke defeats Vader, he gains the stronger Skywalker as his new apprentice. Vader kills Luke, then Luke wasn't strong enough anyway and there is nothing to redeem him (neither the Emperor nor Vader knew about Leia until the "Your thoughts betray you" line)
Remember Vader was weakened anyway (The volcano had dampened his force potential from Chosen One down to just above average Force user).
Palpatine also thought that by killing Luke in front of Vader, it would extinguish any thoughts of redemption through his son that Vader might have been entertaining.
Remember Sith constantly violate the rule of Two in order to betray each other. See Galen Marek and the Emperor's hands.
And Luke had trained a few days with Ben, a couple weeks with Yoda. He was still basically a 20 yr old Youngling in Jedi. That was why his Jedi Order was so different. He established it based on the limited Holocrons and journals he could find. Plus visiting other Force sensitives like the Night sisters.
It has never been directly established but the way Luke's New Jedi Order was established it seemed that not only Obi Wan but Yoda learned from Qui Gon's force ghost. Luke likely as well, because the NJO certainly resembles Qui Gon's Living Force Philosophy in their theology.
Remember Vader was weakened anyway (The volcano had dampened his force potential from Chosen One down to just above average Force user).
Palpatine also thought that by killing Luke in front of Vader, it would extinguish any thoughts of redemption through his son that Vader might have been entertaining.
Remember Sith constantly violate the rule of Two in order to betray each other. See Galen Marek and the Emperor's hands.
And Luke had trained a few days with Ben, a couple weeks with Yoda. He was still basically a 20 yr old Youngling in Jedi. That was why his Jedi Order was so different. He established it based on the limited Holocrons and journals he could find. Plus visiting other Force sensitives like the Night sisters.
It has never been directly established but the way Luke's New Jedi Order was established it seemed that not only Obi Wan but Yoda learned from Qui Gon's force ghost. Luke likely as well, because the NJO certainly resembles Qui Gon's Living Force Philosophy in their theology.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:25 pm to Dr RC
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seemed to me that Vader just no longer had his heart in it and didn't want to kill his own son.
That's pretty clear. Luke didn't defeat Vader as a Jedi. Luke defeated Vader as his son.
And Anakin, clear minded, was unbeatable in the Star Wars universe.
He had unlimited force power.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:26 pm to TWD7105
ROTJ really is a bad movie.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 1:40 pm to TWD7105
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Remember Vader was weakened anyway (The volcano had dampened his force potential from Chosen One down to just above average Force user).
He still was the Chosen One.
Remember, he fufilled the prophecy and destroyed the Sith.
At least, before the expanded universe of the novels
Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:34 pm to lsutigerfan1976
Is a planet of ewoks that much cheaper than a planet of wookies?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 6:58 pm to LSUAlum2001
also, why is he young Anikin but it's old Obiwan when they show up at the furby party?
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:01 pm to biglego
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Is a planet of ewoks that much cheaper than a planet of wookies?
Kids/short people in smaller cheaper costumes with smaller, lower to the ground sets would be easier and less expensive than finding 40 seven footers in full blown wookie FX surrounded by larger/more complex sets
Think about it: WOOK-EE turned around to EE-WOK
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 7:17 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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also, why is he young Anikin but it's old Obiwan when they show up at the furby party?
How does he end up with them two to begin with? The emperor was looking for a way to live forever. Even in the afterlife.
It was Qui Gon that taught the secrets to Obi Wan and Yoda on the after life etc no? No one taught Anakin this. His body didn't disappear like Yoda Or Obi Wan. Yet he was still pictured chilling with them in the end, after he died.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 7:20 pm
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