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re: If Luke has these great Jedi powers, then why is he dragging his near dead dad?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:32 pm to Bard
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:32 pm to Bard
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2. The generator was apparently a giant satellite dish. All the rebels had to do was nuke it from space. Hell, even just kamikazing a couple of ships at it would have been easier than the plan they came up with (and they wouldn't have needed the Hairy Midget Brigade either).
How would the rebels get past the Empirial fleet to get to the moon? Han's team had to fly a stolen Empirial shuttle to sneak past them (even though Vader figured it out because Luke was with them).
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 9:38 pm
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:36 pm to Bard
I get your Kamikaze argument.
But i saw the emperors strategy to lure the Rebels in as a pretty decent one. make them think its not fully operational offensively by using the shield generator on the moon.
One thing to remember to that in 1,2 and 3 the galaxy is in a depression of sorts. Resources may have dictated to do things the way they were done.
just relax and enjoy the movie.
But i saw the emperors strategy to lure the Rebels in as a pretty decent one. make them think its not fully operational offensively by using the shield generator on the moon.
One thing to remember to that in 1,2 and 3 the galaxy is in a depression of sorts. Resources may have dictated to do things the way they were done.
just relax and enjoy the movie.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:50 pm to rondo
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Finding your dying father would be very emotional.
Luke was a Skywalker. If anything, the Star Wars story - especially in ESB and ROTJ - established the Skywalkers were much more powerful (brute force wise) if they gave in to their emotions. To answer the OP's question. It's a plot hole.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:51 pm to Bard
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2. The generator was apparently a giant satellite dish. All the rebels had to do was nuke it from space. Hell, even just kamikazing a couple of ships at it would have been easier than the plan they came up with (and they wouldn't have needed the Hairy Midget Brigade either).
These are the good guys, good guys don't use Kamikazes. Would you be okay with the US using Kimikazes?
And they aren't going to nuke an innocent planet full of innocent creatures either. Again, good guys don't do that
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:01 pm to Tiger1242
They couldn't have gotten to Endor even if they wanted to go Kamikaze on the moon. There was an empirial fleet blockade of the moon that included a fully operational Death Star in between them and Endor. Plus, wasn't Endor also protected by the shield? For some reason I think that they had to lower the shield for Han's crew to get to the moon, or am I imagining that?
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:03 pm to LSUAlum2001
Because he had just had an exhausting light saber dual and after that was force lightninged to the edge of death?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:15 pm to drizztiger
The 2nd Death Star being operational was a trap to draw in the entire Rebel Alliance fleet and destroy it.
Also, Endor and the Ewoks was another instance of Lucas screwing up Star Wars trying to appeal to kids. The original concept was for ROTJ to have Wookies and not Ewoks. Wookies are bad arse warriors that are 7 or 8 feet tall and live in the tops of trees in cities that look just like where the Ewoks lived.
Lucas just shrunk the Wookies into Ewoks.
Lucas is an a-hole.
Also, Endor and the Ewoks was another instance of Lucas screwing up Star Wars trying to appeal to kids. The original concept was for ROTJ to have Wookies and not Ewoks. Wookies are bad arse warriors that are 7 or 8 feet tall and live in the tops of trees in cities that look just like where the Ewoks lived.
Lucas just shrunk the Wookies into Ewoks.
Lucas is an a-hole.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:22 pm to Tiger1242
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These are the good guys, good guys don't use Kamikazes. Would you be okay with the US using Kimikazes?
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And they aren't going to nuke an innocent planet full of innocent creatures either. Again, good guys don't do that
You don't have to blow up the whole planet just the shield.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:51 pm to Bamatab
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How would the rebels get past the Empirial fleet to get to the moon? Han's team had to fly a stolen Empirial shuttle to sneak past them
Maybe by flying a stolen Empirial shuttle to sneak past them? ;)
I find it interesting that some seem to have focused on that I used a form of the word kamikaze but not the rest of the sentence. From some of the responses it sounds like I said "why didn't they just use kamikazes, they are such teh pwn!11" instead of "even just" kamikazing (ie: it's the very last choice one should use).
The satellite was much bigger than a vent or a swamp rat. I think even C3PO could have hit it with a mortar or some other weapon that has a bit more range than their equivalent of sticking C4 on the door.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 10:53 pm to bulldog95
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The real question that has to be asked is how did the emperior not see the deception by vadar.
This. The emperor just allows Vader to slowly pick him up and drop him down a hole. Seems weird.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:01 pm to bulldog95
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The real question that has to be asked is how did the emperior not see the deception by vadar.
As far as we know, no one has ever turned their back on The Dark Side of The Force once they had embraced it (especially for so long). Combine that with his own ego (what I can only surmise was) having been constantly fed by no one telling him "no" or that he was wrong in all the decades since he brought down the Republic and set himself up as a ruthless dictator.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:11 pm to Scoop
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Lucas just shrunk the Wookies into Ewoks.
I thought he did this bc of budget problems, not to appeal to kids
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:37 pm to Bard
I'm pretty sure it was shielded, so it would've taken a whole lot more than a mortar to take it down. A planetary bombardment might've worked if they could've gotten the fleet past the blockade. But then again, the Empire couldn't destroy the rebels' shield on Hoth by bombing it from orbit, so that might not have even worked.
The real plot hole was that a bunch of walking teddy bears took down the Empirial army.
The real plot hole was that a bunch of walking teddy bears took down the Empirial army.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:38 pm to theunknownknight
He may have had budget problems. But he also sold out. To be fair, this was suppose to be it as far as Star Wars. So he was cashing in on what he thought was the end of the road. I don't think anyone would have imagined that trilogy being such a cash cow. Or so many different spin offs and more trilogies.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:40 pm to lsutigerfan1976
We should convert this into an analyze Star Wars thread. 
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:42 pm to bulldog95
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The real question that has to be asked is how did the emperior not see the deception by vadar.
I don't think Vader was deceiving the emperor. It wasn't until Vader realized that Luke was right about him after the Vader Luke fight that he decided to take out the Emperor. Plus the emperor's plan was to have Luke kill Vader anyways, so even if he did think Vader was deceiving him he probably didn't care.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:52 pm to Bamatab
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I don't think Vader was deceiving the emperor. It wasn't until Vader realized that Luke was right about him after the Vader Luke fight that he decided to take out the Emperor. Plus the emperor's plan was to have Luke kill Vader anyways, so even if he did think Vader was deceiving him he probably didn't care.
Yeah i am in the camp that Vader had a change of heart at the end. Saw his kid being struck by lightning or whatever by the emperor. And realized it was better to save his kid.
I think at the same time the Emperor was so entranced with doing what he was doing to Luke. (Trying to make him convert to the dark side, or die) He just didn't see or realize what Vader was about to do. You can't really read too much into that.
My beef is how the bounty hunter, that has years of experience fighting and what not. Gets accidentally knocked over and swallowed to death like a punk. Not the way i imagined Boba Fett going out.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 11:58 pm to lsutigerfan1976
bobba fett survives
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:00 am to Ironbat31
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bobba fett survives
In the novels. If no one ever read any of the novels, they would have just thought he died.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 12:33 am to Scoop
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Because he had just had an exhausting light saber dual and after that was force lightninged to the edge of death?
I mean, that's got to take it out of you a bit..
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