I liked the Superman vs Batman movie, it was good.

Prepare for the onslaught.

I enjoyed the movie. It was intended to be serious (as opposed to a Marvel movie) and it was.

Still not sold on this portrayal of Lex (bear in mind, he's always been a little crazy - but this is the first time he's been psychotic).

Your comma use put me in a coma, it was bad.

I say I like this because I was entertained by it. Setting up the JL is not a factor for me.

I can see how critics would savage the film because there are cerainly plenty of flaws (as I have acknowledged in all of my posts about it).

Could it have been better? Absolutely.

I'm confused why people say there was no story development, but it was also slow. It was slow because of the character development!!

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It is utterly without joy.

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My God. What is it with people and this joy shite?? It's a dark film. It was intended to be a dark film. I knew what they were trying to do, and I wanted it to be bleak, dark, and fricked up. I don't need comic relief all the fricking time to feel all happy inside. The themes are heavy, so it would be weird and inconsistent to constantly have Marvel-esque quips all the fricking time. You want Batman to sling Superman into the ground while exclaiming "PUNY GOD!" or something? Of course you don't, because you'd think it didn't fit the style of the movie, because it wouldn't. I like the serious approach to these characters. There is death everywhere, and we're reminded of it throughout the film. It also somewhat improves MoS since it finally addresses the death and destruction during the battle with Zod.

The film has plenty of flaws, including the narrative issues typical of Snyder films, but I honestly didn't care all that much by the end. Clearly they were pressured to make some massive edits as some things seemed rushed and forced. I will say that Eisenberg sucks and he made me uncomfortable. And the Martha/insta-friend thing was dumb. All-time dumb. Like, I don't know how they could've fricked it up more than that.

Other than that, I feel satisfied for the most part. I've wanted a brutal, don't-give-a-frick death-dealing batman for a long time. And he definitely gives zero fricks. I don't care that it isn't true to the morals of the comic character. His actions feel warranted considering the gravity of the situation. I honestly didn't think I'd give a shite about Wonder Woman, but I really liked the way she was introduced. I was entertained throughout.

This is not a happy movie. You're not supposed to feel joy the whole time. If you don't like a serious approach to comics, don't watch it. Stick to Marvel. There's nothing wrong with that.

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If you don't like a serious approach to comics, don't watch it. Stick to Marvel.

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I'm fine with going dark and being different from source material if the result is well executed - but pretending the DC source material doesn't contain lighter tones and hasn't obviously been used to this effect is more wrong than right.



You've got me?!?

The Tim Burton efforts were both dark and funny at their best. The Reeves' Supermans were positive and humorous.

I'm getting to be a little more atypical in thinking MOS was ok and I haven't yet seen BvS so maybe I'll like that one more than the reviews make me think I should - but don't let liking this movie become your duty as a DC fan just because you find yourself annoyed by Marvel fans.

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It seems that a lot of people seem to want more of the same when it comes to these movies because it makes them feel comfortable with its congruence to the source material.

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Well, there's no doubt one movie influences another and the fan reactions affect both other fans and the producers of the rival products. The Avengers Ultron product seemed to be significantly diluted from the darker source material after the discussions about destruction in MOS.

But I think that ends up being mostly wrong to worry about for a bunch of reasons. There are special audience expectations RE: intention and behavior for Superman that set off his casual and core fans - the idea that he would be indifferent to destruction was a real departure. I think Marvel actually made a real misstep in toning down their violence because it would have better laid the foundation for the upcoming Civil War but I suppose they still have enough to work with.

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We don't need another franchise like the ones Marvel has created, because they've already handled that beautifully. Several variations of superhero storylines have been thoroughly explored, and DC is taking what it learned from the Nolan trilogy to venture further and further down the rabbit hole of darkness and despair. I love it, personally. I find it admirable that DC is trying something different even though it's not yet approached the overall quality of Nolan's films, and may not meet the expectations of avid comic fans.

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Agree RE: the first sentiment obviously. You can't recreate source material to mimic another franchise and end up anything other than an imitation that will typically be much worse.

I'm actually game for some darkness in teh DC universe but it has to be sensible. There are sustained metaphors in both Batman and Superman that need to be understood and respected in order to make the darkness in keeping with the stories for both.

Superman as a biblical metaphor makes a certain amount of sense. He is at the threshold and man and God. The coincidence that his krytonian name means the voice of God in Hebrew is not a coincidence when you realize the ancestry of Superman's creators. Superman can not run around killing folks because he is the guardian and mentor to humanity - here to mentor them into their next and greater age. This is not to say there can't be darkness in the stories but it might have to be in him facing his temptation (to kill) and reluctantly (and then gratefully) resisting.

Batman has separate motivations that should also be understood. His enormous reluctance to kill is a central theme of his personality and his life's mission to make his parent's death more than a meaningless tragedy. He will completely lose himself to darkness and vengeance if he crosses the threshold into becoming executioner. This way lies his madness and absence of purpose.

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What is it with people and this joy shite??

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I go to movie for escapism. Sorry, but I like to have my heart strings tugged at a bit. If that's not going to happen, scare the shite out of me. There is no passion in this movie. Sorry, but aside from horror movies, there needs to be joy in it. And that includes tragedies, because if there is no joy in it, then nothing was worth it. BvS is purely emotionless and I wanted to kill myself watching it. It's pure garbage.

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It's a dark film. It was intended to be a dark film. I knew what they were trying to do, and I wanted it to be bleak, dark, and fricked up. I don't need comic relief all the fricking time to feel all happy inside. The themes are heavy, so it would be weird and inconsistent to constantly have Marvel-esque quips all the fricking time. You want Batman to sling Superman into the ground while exclaiming "PUNY GOD!" or something? Of course you don't, because you'd think it didn't fit the style of the movie, because it wouldn't. I like the serious approach to these characters. There is death everywhere, and we're reminded of it throughout the film. It also somewhat improves MoS since it finally addresses the death and destruction during the battle with Zod.

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I'm not sure you know what it means for a film to be dark. Joker, Alfred, Batman, and Dent often lightened up the mood in The Dark Knight. There was none of that here. No joy whatsoever. No Alfred to talk shite, which was highly needed. It's just trash.

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This is not a happy movie. You're not supposed to feel joy the whole time. If you don't like a serious approach to comics, don't watch it. Stick to Marvel. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Yeah, go frick yourself. A lack of joy is one hell of a good point when you're criticizing a movie. Aside from Horror, every film should have some joy to it. I don't care how dark it is. If it is dark, then you need the audience to understand the light. There none of that here. It is an awful, awful movie.