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re: Heath Ledger's Joker is next level comic book villain
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Tom Hiddleston as Loki is pretty close to as good.
He is very good, but Ledger is a different level.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 1:28 am to Breesus
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I just want to know what the trilogy would've been like had he not died.
Yep... I just watched that final scene with him, the Joker was literally laughing to his death before Batman caught him with the grapple gun. The Joker didn't care about death. At all.
Then the Joker's line to Batman, "I think you and I were destined to do this forever."
That line 100% had weight in regards to the third movie. It is a shame that we never got to see what would've happened.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 2:02 am to Carson123987
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nope. he gets the randy rhoads/jimi hendrix/kurt cobain treatment.
More like the Brandon Lee treatment. The people that are obsessed with the Joker and Heath Ledger today are the same type of people that were obsessed with The Crow in the mid 90s. That's why I'm not impressed, I've seen this all before.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:07 am to weagle99
The opening scene to TDK gets me every time. If I see the movie is about to start, I just lost three hours of productivity of my day.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:04 am to Carson123987
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he gets the randy rhoads treatment
Shut your whore mouth.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:14 am to weagle99
GOAT
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:25 am to Brosef Stalin
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Zod from Superman 2, Ozymandias from Watchmen, Doc Ock from Spiderman 2 all in the discussion.
I strongly disagree.
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Comic book movie villains tend to be really poorly written, that's from all companies. There's only so much an actor can do with the script.
I do agree with this.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 6:35 am to ohiovol
Nah, Mark Hamill in some of the cartoons is a better Joker. I dislike the world burns Joker of Ledger. Performance is overrated a ton cause the dude died. Not saying it was bad though, it was the best live action Joker.
He was amazing.
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Not a movie but David Tennant as Purple Man is up there.
He was amazing.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 6:37 am
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:49 am to lagallifrey
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Not a movie but David Tennant as Purple Man is up there.
I was just about to post this Tennant beats Ledger for me personally. He was the only part of Jessica Jones I liked.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:52 am to mindbreaker
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I was just about to post this Tennant beats Ledger for me personally. He was the only part of Jessica Jones I liked.
Agree on both counts. It's a shame the rest of the show was so awful.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:43 am to Brosef Stalin
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More like the Brandon Lee treatment. The people that are obsessed with the Joker and Heath Ledger today are the same type of people that were obsessed with The Crow in the mid 90s. That's why I'm not impressed, I've seen this all before.
How are you able to function with this warped sense of reality that you seem to work from?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:03 am to weagle99
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Everything about his performance is perfection in that movie IMO.
don;t get me wrong...I loved it and it was the best portrayal of that character in live action to date.
But...when I realized he was all but doing a note for note impersonation of Tom Waits, it felt much less awesome in my mind. Not that it wasn't a great choice, because that mood fit the character, but what we got on screen isn't so much Ledger acting like the Joker as acting like Tom Waits being The Joker.
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Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:05 am to GeauxTigerTM
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doing a note for note impersonation of Tom Waits
I was waiting for that. It wasn't as simple as doing a Tom Waits impression. Tom Waits couldn't have pulled off that performance.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:12 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I was waiting for that. It wasn't as simple as doing a Tom Waits impression. Tom Waits couldn't have pulled off that performance.
Right...but that wasn't my point. IF Tom Waits could have acted it that well, that's what we'd have gotten is more my point.
It's kind of like doing a Rodney Dangerfield impersonation as an actor while portraying some character. You get tons of credit for the choice, and even more for doing it well...but are you not taken aback a bit by the fact that you've essentially cut and pasted another guy's actual voice an mannerisms into the place for this character?
I wasn't familiar with Waits' speaking voice prior to seeing TDK, so when I first saw the interview he did in Australia this bit was taken from, I was astounded by how exactly Ledger had ripped his personality.
Honestly...Jamie Fox or Val Kilmer did not touch Ray or Morrison in their performances as much as Ledger nailed Waits. The fact that it fit perfectly for this portrayal of The Joker was great...but he's doing Waits.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 11:42 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Rumor was that, in the third movie, Batman would actually go to Arkham to find out from the Joker how to defeat someone like Bane.
That would've been some awesome banter.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:06 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The fact that it fit perfectly for this portrayal of The Joker was great...but he's doing Waits.
Funny that no one saw Tom Waits in Ledger's performance until that one, specific interview went viral. It's not like we haven't heard Waits interviewed and speaking on stage and acting in films for four decades. It's one particular interview where Waits and Ledger sound similar.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:07 pm to StealthCalais11
I thought that the Scarecrow scene in DKR was supposed to be the Joker scene.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Cock blocked by the grim reaper
Posted on 5/1/17 at 12:12 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I thought that the Scarecrow scene in DKR was supposed to be the Joker scene.
I would have hated that, honestly. The Joker, especially Ledger's version, is above being some side villain with a cameo.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 2:08 pm to ohiovol
I remember reading something shortly after TDKR was released that sourced Jonathan Nolan saying they had a story outline that featured Bane as the villain but Catwoman wasn't included. Joker gets released with all the other prisoners when Bane breaks them out. The honors of killing Bane at the end before he offs Batman were to go to Joker instead of Catwoman.
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