- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: GOT Book Readers: Jon Snow question
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:44 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:44 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
Skagos or Last Hearth
Guess I need to refresh my memory, it's been a couple of years since I read the books. I don't remember reading about either of these places.
1
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:46 am to OMLandshark
quote:
Theoretically Skagos, an island that is home to cannibals.
Want to see so bad. You would think there is something else there for Martin to have gone out of his way to include it in his plot.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:01 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Yep, I'm afraid by honor he's stuck in the Night's Watch until he dies.
Or until that Wall comes down.
Not necessarily. Honor is also to serve when you are the lord of a land. Go back to the last meeting with Rob and his bannermen. They all signed a pact declaring Jon to be the King of the North if Rob were to ever die. This seed was planted just prior to the Red Wedding, and it will play a role in the future (ughem... maybe... Jon? You there?).
What this does is put Jon in a position of choice: honor his duties to the wall (which he surely will question if he is still able to) or to his northern kingdom. The choice isn't easy, but I would say the most noble one would be to the Northern Kingdom.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:05 pm to Palo Gaucho
quote:
I don't remember reading about either of these places.
If you are Rickon Stark - a little boy, but the putative Lord of Winterfell (assuming Brandon can't/won't serve because he's a cripple, and now some crazy Greenseer/Warg hybrid) - and you're running from other Northmen who want you dead - the only 2 clear options would be the Umbers (Last Hearth) and Manderlys (White Harbor) - the loyalty of those to Ned and Robb were never questioned.
But, Manderly either has them (and is keeping it very much on the QT) and is trolling Davos, or really thinks they've gone to Skagos - whether or not they actually have remains to be seen.
Before that, I would have bet money they were being sheltered by the Greatjon's family at Last Hearth.
We'll see (maybe), I suppose.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:07 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:
The choice isn't easy, but I would say the most noble one would be to the Northern Kingdom.
What if he dies and comes back, ala Donderrion or LSH?
Is he relieved of his oath? Will the North follow an "undead" Lord of Winterfell?
However, I believe, that, if what happens is what I think will happen, then he will have a bigger purpose than just Winterfell.
I still think that, at the end of the day, Rickon will be the Lord of Winterfell (or King in the North).
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
Thinking Rickon could be on Bear Island. 10 year old Lyanna Mormont: "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark". Only Stark male that anyone knows of is Rickon.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:27 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:
Only Stark male that anyone knows of is Rickon.
Almost everyone thinks Bran and Rickon are dead - there are less than 2 dozen people who suspect either are alive.
Maybe they will do Bear Island on the show, but in the books, I don't think that can be. All things are pointing to Skagos.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:47 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Ahem. My number one theory.
What if he dies and comes back, ala Donderrion or LSH?
Is he relieved of his oath? Will the North follow an "undead" Lord of Winterfell?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:48 pm to weagle99
L+R=J became apparent in the first book honestly. First season of the show as well.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:50 pm to Ace Midnight
Wyman Manderly refers to Rickon not Bran as his liege lord.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:51 pm to CapitalCityDevil
quote:
L+R=J became apparent in the first book honestly. First season of the show as well.
Don't dare tell the Hodors that - I had formulated R+L=J before I had read a single page.
Hodors say, "Hodor. Hodor, hodor, hodor. Hodor."
Translation: "There is no way to come up with that without being a filthy, dirty, spoiling reader."
Posted on 4/20/15 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Don't dare tell the Hodors that - I had formulated R+L=J before I had read a single page.
That seems very unlikely, given how criminally untold the story of RR is in the show
Posted on 4/20/15 at 2:19 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
What if he dies and comes back, ala Donderrion or LSH?
Is he relieved of his oath? Will the North follow an "undead" Lord of Winterfell?
However, I believe, that, if what happens is what I think will happen, then he will have a bigger purpose than just Winterfell.
I agree, but I think there are steps to take. First I don't think he will come back in the same manner as Stoneheart or Berric, meaning limited by his wounds and death. I agree with the Azor Ahai theory, and he will be renewed in full at some point by Mellisandre. He will have to warg into Ghost for a while most likely, but one day be fully restored.
Once this happens, he will have to unify the North before working his way to King's landing. I think the NW is pretty much in his rear view mirror at this point moving forward. I believe the pact that was signed by Rob and his bannermen will unite them all under Jon, thus leading to him having the armies to overtake KL.
Then the real battle will begin, the one with the Others.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 2:27 pm to Midget Death Squad
quote:
Then the real battle will begin, the one with the Others.
Yeah - I don't think the horn is the only way to drop the wall. I'm starting to think that the wall comes down at some point. Then it will most definitely be "on".
"Winter is Coming"
Indeed.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 2:29 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm curious to see who will be controlling Dragonstone when the Others head South. Seems like that Lord will be in the catbird's seat.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 2:50 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
I'm curious to see who will be controlling Dragonstone when the Others head South. Seems like that Lord will be in the catbird's seat.
I think it is where Dany will set up camp, just as Aegon the Conquerer did.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 3:00 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
I don't think the horn is the only way to drop the wall.
I may be recalling this wrong, but I'm almost certain Thormund told Jon that the horn Mance had wasn't the real one. Or at least hinted towards that.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 3:05 pm to OMLandshark
Wow. So much to talk about here.
MDS...If I recall correctly, Rob and Catlyn had an argument about who he name heir. I don't recall any pact being signed, other than Rob naming Jon his heir.
Manderly had the mute kid (Wex Pyke) throw a dagger at the map to show Davos where Rickon was.
The text read:
"For half a heartbeat Davos considered asking Wyman Manderly to send him back to the Wolf's Den, to Ser Bartimus with is tales and Garth with his lethal ladies. In the Den even prisoners ate porridge in the morning. But there were other places in this world where men were known to break their fast on human flesh."
This has to be Skagos.
Getting back to Jon. Does he truly have to die to be relieved of his Watch? The words were spoke, "And now his watch is ended". If he survives, he is free of his vow, right?
MDS...If I recall correctly, Rob and Catlyn had an argument about who he name heir. I don't recall any pact being signed, other than Rob naming Jon his heir.
Manderly had the mute kid (Wex Pyke) throw a dagger at the map to show Davos where Rickon was.
The text read:
"For half a heartbeat Davos considered asking Wyman Manderly to send him back to the Wolf's Den, to Ser Bartimus with is tales and Garth with his lethal ladies. In the Den even prisoners ate porridge in the morning. But there were other places in this world where men were known to break their fast on human flesh."
This has to be Skagos.
Getting back to Jon. Does he truly have to die to be relieved of his Watch? The words were spoke, "And now his watch is ended". If he survives, he is free of his vow, right?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 3:20 pm to OMLandshark
N/M
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/20/15 at 3:21 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Well, the cover art for WoW is a horn. I guess it could be the dragon horn, but the name of the book suggests otherwise.
Yeah - I don't think the horn is the only way to drop the wall. I'm starting to think that the wall comes down at some point. Then it will most definitely be "on".
quote:We shall overcome, brother.
Translation: "There is no way to come up with that without being a filthy, dirty, spoiling reader."
Page 4 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News