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re: Girls Ep "It's Back"...Dude wearing a purple and gold Fighting Tigers shirt...
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:47 am to Jwodie
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:47 am to Jwodie
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e but it does have many great qualities, including consistently witty/creative dialogue, awkward social situations, etc.
what's so great about forced, awkward situations? they aren't really creative and just throw shite together and go "LOL THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TOGETHER." as with most of this show, it's weak
what dialogue do you think is witty?
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The hate for it is ooc and stems primarily from people being annoyed with seeing Dunham's naked body.
i could give a frick about this
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
you always mention her nudity 
Posted on 3/5/13 at 10:58 am to boosiebadazz
because she has made it a point to troll the audience and that shows not only a weakness in her ability to write, but how she's perfectly fine with avoiding actual plot development in order to troll the audience on a tangential issue having nothing to do with the show itself
it has nothing to do with the actual nudity. it has everything to do with her failure at trying to prove her progressive point
it has nothing to do with the actual nudity. it has everything to do with her failure at trying to prove her progressive point
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
its not trolling
its just tits, man
if they were nice looking tits, you would have no problem with how often they were shown
its just tits, man
if they were nice looking tits, you would have no problem with how often they were shown
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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what's so great about forced, awkward situations?
First off, it's what made shows like The Office an international success.
LINK
An interview with Allison Williams, while mostly about her background and influences, it hits on a few redeeming/interesting recent plot points that you seem to discard in your crusade against the show.
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The 20-something female’s quest to find meaningful love and status in the world is a subject for the ages. What Jane Austen began in Victorian novels took off on television with The Mary Tyler Moore Show in the ’70s and Sex and the City in the ’90s. With Girls, Lena Dunham takes on the subject for the millennial generation. Allison Williams, who plays Marnie Michaels, the textbook-pretty and trying-desperately-to-be-perfect foil to Dunham’s fumbling Hannah Hovarth, is at the center of a bona fide cultural phenomenon. Girls is a lightning rod. Although there’s been a lot of fuss about the show’s frank sexuality, what is truly provocative about Girls is its relentless exploration of motivations and emotions—never letting any of the characters off the hook—and the creator’s willingness to allow her heroines to be their complicated selves, flaws and all.
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BC: When your character, Marnie, tells Hannah she’s beautiful, does she mean it?
AW: She definitely means it. If Marnie had the confidence, she’d just tell Hannah how jealous she is of the parts of Hannah’s personality she lacks. But I think that requires a lot of self-reflection and confidence, to go on about someone when you’re in an intimate friendship[.]
BC: Let’s talk about the relationships in the series—how desperate your character became when her ex found someone else in five minutes. My husband, watching the show with me, said, “Oh, come on! A beautiful girl like that, she wouldn’t care.” People think pretty girls never have any romantic problems.
AW: In that situation it’s as much about Charlie as it is about control. The comfort of having this ex-boyfriend in her control is very appealing, because she can use that as a safety net until she finds someone to move on to. The fact that he beats her to the punch—leaving her alone, feeling isolated and undesirable—is unfathomable and unbearable to her, and unexpected. For her to go right into a relationship would have been less interesting.
Flow - you're going to tell me, even as a guy, you've never been in Marnie's shows vis a vis Charlie in a past relationship? Things like that are relatable and entertaining.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:02 am to Jwodie
Soooooo, pics of shirt?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:02 am to boosiebadazz
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if they were nice looking tits, you would have no problem with how often they were shown
that would defeat her point in continuing to show herself naked...and it's why shosh/marnie haven't been naked
giving chauvinists "pretty girl" nudity would be too typical, at least at this point
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:03 am to Jwodie
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Although there’s been a lot of fuss about the show’s frank sexuality, what is truly provocative about Girls is its relentless exploration of motivations and emotions—never letting any of the characters off the hook—and the creator’s willingness to allow her heroines to be their complicated selves, flaws and all.
The show constantly lets the characters "off the hook" for being so terrible by providing outside influences that explain why they're so shitty.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:06 am to CrippleCreek
the only outside influence i've seen is that they're twenty-something and lost
WHICH IS WHAT THE ENTIRE SHOW IS ABOUT
WHICH IS WHAT THE ENTIRE SHOW IS ABOUT
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:08 am to Jwodie
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First off, it's what made shows like The Office an international success.
the office became a success because it was a romantic comedy based around jim and pam, with some wacky hijinks to keep things going
by the time they resolved their plotline, people were already 'in' and kept watching. the show dropped off noticeably
and even then, the awkward situations involved non-real characters who were tools to showcase this. plus there were set ups and punchlines, which girls doesn't do
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Girls is its relentless exploration of motivations and emotions—never letting any of the characters off the hook
like when? and in what sort of organized manner?
the show fails to do this well. last episode was a great example of my point. hannah and marnie go crazy, literally at the drop of a hat
and they "let the characters off teh hook" when they give backstories/excuses for their shtity behavior
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The comfort of having this ex-boyfriend in her control is very appealing, because she can use that as a safety net until she finds someone to move on to. The fact that he beats her to the punch—leaving her alone, feeling isolated and undesirable—is unfathomable and unbearable to her, and unexpected. For her to go right into a relationship would have been less interesting.
she did go pretty much right into what she thought was a relationship...
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you've never been in Marnie's shows vis a vis Charlie in a past relationship?
no. i haven't
and the booth jonathon "reveal" was easily spotted 100 miles before
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:09 am to boosiebadazz
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the only outside influence i've seen is that they're twenty-something and lost
WHICH IS WHAT THE ENTIRE SHOW IS ABOUT
Exactly.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:10 am to boosiebadazz
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the only outside influence i've seen is that they're twenty-something and lost
WHICH IS WHAT THE ENTIRE SHOW IS ABOUT
and they should be ridiculed for being so selfish and stupid
bad decisions should result in bad results. this show glorifies and excuses their bad decision making
these kids aren't "lost." they're fricking lazy
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
and that's ok to show on TV
if only we all had it figured out like you
if only we all had it figured out like you This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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and they should be ridiculed for being so selfish and stupid
bad decisions should result in bad results. this show glorifies and excuses their bad decision making
these kids aren't "lost." they're fricking lazy
first off, why do you watch a show you hate? seems you have a proper case of self loathing or something that you feel a need to torture yourself through a show you hate, only to come on this board and bash it.
Secondly i don't think the characters are being "let off the hook" for their behavior. While it's a show based on examples of reality, it's still a TV show. If the show ends in so many bad results, there wouldn't be a show.
Also the situation with Marnie is easily identifiable to a huge portion of young adults. I have seen that happen with girls ALL THE TIME.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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the office became a success because it was a romantic comedy based around jim and pam, with some wacky hijinks to keep things going
Without completely derailing this thread I presume you do realize The Office began as a BBC program, correct? It was already huge before Jim and Pam and specialized in Michael Scott's social retardism.
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the show fails to do this well. last episode was a great example of my point. hannah and marnie go crazy, literally at the drop of a hat
and they "let the characters off teh hook" when they give backstories/excuses for their shtity behavior
You still consistently miss what this show is fundamentally about, and what has been repeated ad nauseum. The characters aren't supposed to be perfect, they're not supposed to be likeable in a vacuum. They're supposed to be relatable, and their path and resulting struggles to figure out who they are, what they want, and why people act the way they do is entertaining to many people because it's relatable.
You're not going to be convinced so there's no point in continuing this diatribe. As many have said several posts ago, if you hate the show, and what it attempts to convey, this much I'm unsure why you continue watching.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:16 am to boosiebadazz
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and that's ok to show on TV
what do you mean? of course it's OK, but that doesn't make it a good work
if this whole show is just about terrible people acting terrible, then i have 2 questions
1. why does the show keep excusing their behavior?
2. why did we need a second season?
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. why does the show keep excusing their behavior?
2. why did we need a second season?
who is excusing their behavior?
lena and williams are both honest about the characters flaws
and we needed a second because the first was interesting
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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2. why did we need a second season?
The entire second season was just a ploy to get Donald Glover to play to the stereotype that a black guy will bang a white chick no matter how repulsive she is, just because she's white.
It was a commentary on 50 Cent and Chelsea Handler.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:19 am to Geauxld Finger
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first off, why do you watch a show you hate?
because this is a show people say they like b/c they think they're supposed to like. and i enjoy busting people for proclaiming such a piece of shite show. if you want to see a much more detailed analysis, go read the seinfeld/girls thread
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seems you have a proper case of self loathing or something that you feel a need to torture yourself through a show you hate, only to come on this board and bash it.
you can only truly appreciate good things and things you like if you truly appreciate bad things and things you hate
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Secondly i don't think the characters are being "let off the hook" for their behavior.
we've had 2 full episodes this season dedicated solely to nothing else.
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While it's a show based on examples of reality, it's still a TV show. If the show ends in so many bad results, there wouldn't be a show.
you don't think this is a serious flaw in the show?
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Also the situation with Marnie is easily identifiable to a huge portion of young adults. I have seen that happen with girls ALL THE TIME.
you want to know the funniest part about how dunham shite on the "pretty girl" last ep?
marnie was the voice of reason, objectively, in calling out that count jessa. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER, she goes crazy
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:22 am to Jwodie
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Without completely derailing this thread I presume you do realize The Office began as a BBC program, correct?
and how did the show end? with the rejection of the relationship.
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You still consistently miss what this show is fundamentally about,
no. i reject what you people proclaim "the show is about" because you refuse to accept the objective criticism of the show because you've already bought into the mythology/narrative of supporting the show
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The characters aren't supposed to be perfect, they're not supposed to be likeable in a vacuum.
they go well beyond this. they are TERRIBLE. they are horrible people.
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They're supposed to be relatable
how many people do you relate to in reality who are such horrible human beings?
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and their path and resulting struggles to figure out who they are, what they want, and why people act the way they do is entertaining to many people because it's relatable.
it's over-dramatized and cliched
i've never met anyone who developed OCD randomly because their life got boring and God had writer's block
that shite happened last episode though
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As many have said several posts ago, if you hate the show, and what it attempts to convey, this much I'm unsure why you continue watching.
to prove you all wrong and hopefully allow you to see your perception biases
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